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Post by . on Dec 6, 2018 14:33:27 GMT
Throwing money or penny pinching? Both. They will skimp on stadium redevelopments, long-term planning and investment, facilities upgrades (or facilities being open at all without having to get a fucking permission slip). The stuff people cannot obviously see. Refusing to allow loan-to-buy transfers (preferring outright sales for immediate income); demanding unrealistic fees (particularly considering wage offsets) for unwanted players; offering new contracts to players the manager wants to sell in order to stop the player leaving for free; offering transfer fees over extended payments rather than one-off fees. On the other hand happy to very publicly throw high sums at glossy transfer targets (as long as they are marketable) that are signed mostly for the purpose of showing off 'we can'. Regardless of suitability or need. So yeah. It's both. Tight on one side, profligate on the other. Saw an article the other day saying that Old Trafford's Wi-Fi is still the worst in the league for the media, etc. Not dependable in any way whatsoever for years. (Probably just as well).
So, in 2018 our fucking WI-FI is performing the same as the team. Shite. When we can't even sort out the facilities in any way, how can we be expected to sort things out at board level?
Just general all round embarrassment from top to bottom in the club, allied with total incompetence.
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Post by ratbag on Dec 6, 2018 14:54:17 GMT
By holding players accountable YES. The blind lead the blind. From the article... "The last of his skills to desert Mourinho, perhaps, is his capacity to inspire his loyalists and convince them it isn’t his fault, not when the board, the players and the media are there to be blamed." You come across as a loyalist...as pretty much everyone on here has said, the board and Ed are also to blame but as yez mentioned, Jose is the one picking, training (?), coaching (??) and motivating (  ) the team... Another manager could have us higher in the table with the same squad...Jose seems to have a different agenda... |
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Post by _ on Dec 6, 2018 15:10:15 GMT
Are the owners goons? YES Is Ed the man to deal with footballing and on the pitch affairs? HELL NO Is Mourinho absolved of blame for the debacle of this seaseaon? HELL NO. He is 80% the problem, simply because he picks the team, trains them etc and his negativity all round since the summer definitely had an affect on these players He's been a fucking disaster, so if he fucks off somewhere and parks his bus and wins a league great good luck, but I doubt it |
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Post by _ on Dec 6, 2018 15:19:42 GMT
On paper we actually have an easy December apart from Liverpool and the expectations are so low for that game anyway. The rest are bottom of the league and mid table, so if we drop away further by year end hopefully he will fuck off
I predict the low point will come at Newcastle on Jan 2 just a hunch
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Post by Stew on Dec 6, 2018 15:31:46 GMT
Great read.
Said on here a couple of days ago, there should be a mutiny starting within the stands at Old Trafford.
Added to this our away support is the best in the league but the problem is that they're fiercely loyal, they keep singing regardless of performances, they really should turn but can't see it.
But at home it definitely should be kicking off, with Ed looking on.
I agree. If anything Utd’s fan are too loyal as was proven by that hump Moyes. |
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Post by GeniusCantona on Dec 6, 2018 15:36:48 GMT
When Jose eventually leaves and succeeds elsewhere then everyone will realize that the owners are 100% of the problem. Unlike our previous two managers, Jose isn’t afraid to point at the real issues and where the club’s priorities are. The commercial culture at the club will always undermine any manager here because the players will feel their bigger than the manager and the club itself. He's been a fucking disaster, so if he fucks off somewhere and parks his bus and wins a league great good luck, but I doubt it When the commercial culture at the Club has taken a priority over winning then we have a problem. Why can't anyone see that is the issue? I agree that Jose is a problem but he isn't the biggest problem. When the Club is emphasizing marketability, commercial contracts etc., the players see that and will undermine any manager every step of the way. Instead of focusing on winning trophies, the culture seems to be of player self-promotion being led by Pogba, Lingard and others. Not every player is like that but Jose's virus and spoiled comments of some players in this squad is pretty damn accurate. |
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Post by GeniusCantona on Dec 6, 2018 15:41:15 GMT
By holding players accountable YES. The blind lead the blind. From the article... "The last of his skills to desert Mourinho, perhaps, is his capacity to inspire his loyalists and convince them it isn’t his fault, not when the board, the players and the media are there to be blamed." You come across as a loyalist...as pretty much everyone on here has said, the board and Ed are also to blame but as yez mentioned, Jose is the one picking, training (?), coaching (??) and motivating ( ) the team... Another manager could have us higher in the table with the same squad...Jose seems to have a different agenda... Again Jose is a problem but he isn't THE problem. You can switch managers all you like but when some of the players are empowered by the notion that they hold commercial value to the Club then you have a new rot at the Club, which any good manager would have difficulty dealing with. There is no simple solution here. Would there be a bump in form, if we brought in someone like Jardim? Possibly, yes. But the problems that are showing in some of the "key" players in this squad aren't necessarily going to go away. What's been exposed over the past few months is that we have a number of players who are cowards and lack character in this squad. |
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Post by GeniusCantona on Dec 6, 2018 15:43:01 GMT
Great read.
Said on here a couple of days ago, there should be a mutiny starting within the stands at Old Trafford.
Added to this our away support is the best in the league but the problem is that they're fiercely loyal, they keep singing regardless of performances, they really should turn but can't see it.
But at home it definitely should be kicking off, with Ed looking on.
I agree. If anything Utd’s fan are too loyal as was proven by that hump Moyes. This is a noble trait and what I love about our supporters but I really wish we were more ruthless like our counterparts in Spain and Italy. The madrid supporters would be rioting at this point. |
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Post by caino on Dec 6, 2018 16:00:26 GMT
From the article... "The last of his skills to desert Mourinho, perhaps, is his capacity to inspire his loyalists and convince them it isn’t his fault, not when the board, the players and the media are there to be blamed." You come across as a loyalist...as pretty much everyone on here has said, the board and Ed are also to blame but as yez mentioned, Jose is the one picking, training (?), coaching (??) and motivating ( ) the team... Another manager could have us higher in the table with the same squad...Jose seems to have a different agenda... Again Jose is a problem but he isn't THE problem. You can switch managers all you like but when some of the players are empowered by the notion that they hold commercial value to the Club then you have a new rot at the Club, which any good manager would have difficulty dealing with. There is no simple solution here. Would there be a bump in form, if we brought in someone like Jardim? Possibly, yes. But the problems that are showing in some of the "key" players in this squad aren't necessarily going to go away. What's been exposed over the past few months is that we have a number of players who are cowards and lack character in this squad. everyone knows theres problems off the pitch. But Jose does not help himself. hes a miserable sod. he set the tone of the season when he was kickin off about transfers. did Poch ? no. he plays poorly preforming players week in week out when theres other options available. he calls out players when theres totally no need. he players 6 defenders against shite teams his tactics are outdated. I agree hes a good manager, but at this club its not going to work. he should be doing better with what he has at his disposal than what hes currently achieving |
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Post by ratbag on Dec 6, 2018 16:24:41 GMT
From the article... "The last of his skills to desert Mourinho, perhaps, is his capacity to inspire his loyalists and convince them it isn’t his fault, not when the board, the players and the media are there to be blamed." You come across as a loyalist...as pretty much everyone on here has said, the board and Ed are also to blame but as yez mentioned, Jose is the one picking, training (?), coaching (??) and motivating ( ) the team... Another manager could have us higher in the table with the same squad...Jose seems to have a different agenda... Again Jose is a problem but he isn't THE problem. You can switch managers all you like but when some of the players are empowered by the notion that they hold commercial value to the Club then you have a new rot at the Club, which any good manager would have difficulty dealing with. There is no simple solution here. Would there be a bump in form, if we brought in someone like Jardim? Possibly, yes. But the problems that are showing in some of the "key" players in this squad aren't necessarily going to go away. What's been exposed over the past few months is that we have a number of players who are cowards and lack character in this squad. The thing is, getting confrontational with the board / Ed will not work...if it comes to a pissing contest, Jose will lose... As has also been mentioned...one really great outcome (apart from assassinating Ed!), would be for Jose to pack up and leave but with a scorched earth departure...tell the world about the shit that is going on behind the scenes...maybe that would help mobilise some form of proper protest from the fans (and hopefully sponsors)... EDIT: The assassination bit was a joke... ...honest... |
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Post by Karma on Dec 6, 2018 17:11:07 GMT
Managers don't have time now to psychoanalyse players. It might help though if the CEO didn't have such a hard on for 'names '. Throwing money around has attracted too many of the wrong kind of players. its not hard to know if a player has a strong character on the pitch. they work with footballers day in day out. for example... its clear as day Van Dijk, Ramos, Terry, Rio are/were strong characters. have you ever played a sport ? or competed in anything ? If so, you will know who the strong characters are in those games. from amateur level right through to professional level. as your alluding to it, I couldn't give a flyin shit what players do off the pitch. its their lives they can do what they want. but as long as they perform on the pitch is all that matters. they could be the biggest arsehole off the pitch and I wouldn't care as long as theyre winning us games The reason why we are attracting so many flaky characters is because we are offering silly wages. Di Maria never wanted to come here so we had to throw money at him. Stop looking for 'names' and instead players we actually need. Surely having a DOF actually doing his homework than stupid twat Ed giving it the green light is the way to go? |
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Post by Kamilo on Dec 6, 2018 17:16:11 GMT
its not hard to know if a player has a strong character on the pitch. they work with footballers day in day out. for example... its clear as day Van Dijk, Ramos, Terry, Rio are/were strong characters. have you ever played a sport ? or competed in anything ? If so, you will know who the strong characters are in those games. from amateur level right through to professional level. as your alluding to it, I couldn't give a flyin shit what players do off the pitch. its their lives they can do what they want. but as long as they perform on the pitch is all that matters. they could be the biggest arsehole off the pitch and I wouldn't care as long as theyre winning us games The reason why we are attracting so many flaky characters is because we are offering silly wages. Di Maria never wanted to come here so we had to throw money at him. Stop looking for 'names' and instead players we actually need. Surely having a DOF actually doing his homework than stupid twat Ed giving it the green light is the way to go? If there’s one thing about people in power that’s certain it’s that they don’t want to give it up. The board would have to make that appointment right, who would do that convincing? We’re dictated by finances not field performances and our performances have yet to really affect the financial side of things. |
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Post by redcase on Dec 6, 2018 17:20:27 GMT
The reason why we are attracting so many flaky characters is because we are offering silly wages. Di Maria never wanted to come here so we had to throw money at him. Stop looking for 'names' and instead players we actually need. Surely having a DOF actually doing his homework than stupid twat Ed giving it the green light is the way to go? If there’s one thing about people in power that’s certain it’s that they don’t want to give it up. The board would have to make that appointment right, who would do that convincing? We’re dictated by finances not field performances and our performances have yet to really affect the financial side of things. How to change it ? Riots, violence , protests , etc etc. Nothing like a little chaos to upset that established order. |
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Post by Karma on Dec 6, 2018 17:24:46 GMT
The reason why we are attracting so many flaky characters is because we are offering silly wages. Di Maria never wanted to come here so we had to throw money at him. Stop looking for 'names' and instead players we actually need. Surely having a DOF actually doing his homework than stupid twat Ed giving it the green light is the way to go? If there’s one thing about people in power that’s certain it’s that they don’t want to give it up. The board would have to make that appointment right, who would do that convincing? We’re dictated by finances not field performances and our performances have yet to really affect the financial side of things. Well yes you have a manager who has his pride. He feels he isn't being backed (you can argue all day about that) and is throwing his toys out of the pram. Like a tornado sucking everything up and chucking it in bits towards the ground. Ed is doing what he does best. Putting his fingers in ears. Then you have Pogba throwing his weight around. Good owners would cut 1 or both loose. Get some positivity back into the club . Instead they are like the onlookers at a guillotine with their knitting. Watching it all unfold with a macabre fascination. Then next year at some point they will do something.....possibly! |
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Post by Karma on Dec 6, 2018 19:26:32 GMT
The reason why we are attracting so many flaky characters is because we are offering silly wages. Di Maria never wanted to come here so we had to throw money at him. Stop looking for 'names' and instead players we actually need. Surely having a DOF actually doing his homework than stupid twat Ed giving it the green light is the way to go? If there’s one thing about people in power that’s certain it’s that they don’t want to give it up. The board would have to make that appointment right, who would do that convincing? We’re dictated by finances not field performances and our performances have yet to really affect the financial side of things. Only a matter of time. Let's see what more empty seats does to the brand. |
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