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Post by johnboy14 on Jul 25, 2019 17:27:43 GMT
There’s virtually nothing between them. And Scott is younger than both. Fair enough. Agree to disagree. One other question - how did the scouse do what they did last year with such an average midfield by your estimation? I know they got obscene amounts of luck, but they also played a lot of very good football sadly. I dont think you can say they were lucky considering there points tally. The players liverpool have suit that high energy game, somebody like McTominay would suit that and keep henderson out of the squad. Henderson cant play football, hes got a great engine but McTominay has that and ability on the ball. With time and abit of patience he could play in our midfield for a decade or more. |
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Post by jkr on Jul 25, 2019 18:15:40 GMT
Only seen 10 minutes highlights of the match today but kids done well again and Tony looked well leading the line. Pereira looked like he put himself about well to. Gomes needs to see a lot of minutes this season, when he dances into the box defenders are frightened to put a toe out, he could create a lot this season.
General point, they need to stop preseason friendlies between domestic rivals, some very tasty challenges today, Sissokho on James was nasty, as was Pereira on Kane. Key players could have their seasons derailed with an energy in what is essentially a workout to get match fitness up.
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Post by jkr on Jul 25, 2019 18:16:49 GMT
Only seen 10 minutes highlights of the match today but kids done well again and Tony looked well leading the line. Pereira looked like he put himself about well to. Gomes needs to see a lot of minutes this season, when he dances into the box defenders are frightened to put a toe out, he could create a lot this season. General point, they need to stop preseason friendlies between domestic rivals, some very tasty challenges today, Sissokho on James was nasty, as was Pereira on Kane. Key players could have their seasons derailed with an energy in what is essentially a workout to get match fitness up. * sorry meant injury not energy. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 25, 2019 19:19:01 GMT
Just seen the Sissoko challenge and stamp on James. What a cunt. Even Pochetino apologised.
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Post by RAZ on Jul 25, 2019 19:46:32 GMT
Fair enough. Agree to disagree. One other question - how did the scouse do what they did last year with such an average midfield by your estimation? I know they got obscene amounts of luck, but they also played a lot of very good football sadly. Their attack is lethal and their full backs are great going forward. The midfield was required to do very little, which is why a hump like Henderson can play in it. And lots of luck. the scouse midfield is terrible and was helped massively by their defence and attack. but they still performed well despite not being great footballers. i hate henderson and think that he is just not good. but henderson has showed one thing last season that i demand from our players. eventhough he lacks talent, he made up for it with energy, determination and engine. i remember the 2nd leg of the barca game where he was just everywhere around the pitch, flying into tackles and winning the ball back for them. not a good footballer but makes up for it with his will power. i want to see that from our players, which in fairness a lot of them have done so far in pre season. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 25, 2019 21:01:37 GMT
Some of our lads have really been busting their balls in pre season. I've seen us look proper sluggish in previous friendly fixtures
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Post by Deleted on Jul 25, 2019 21:22:45 GMT
I couldn’t disagree more with you about Scott. I'm not dismissing him or Andreas. I like him - he works hard which is a nice change of pace in this side. He could really step up, but I haven't seen the evidence (based off last season) that he's ready to play to a top-4 standard every week. He's better than Matic, but that's not saying much. He may well become that player this season, and it looks like he certainly has the chance, but I don't think he's there just yet. I rate him, but not as much as others here. Put it this way - how many top 10 sides from last year would he start for? Above us, I can't see anywhere but Arsenal (today vs. Spurs was a friendly before anyone says he bossed their midfield). Below, he's not breaking into Leicester or Wolves' sides IMO, and arguably only Everton because they just sold Gueye. I'd love him to take the side by storm, and as things stand he's our second best midfielder, the best if Pogba doesn't show up. I just think that's more an indictment of how incredibly average most of our midfield options are than it is praise of Scott. Was it the first Barca game that he completely dominated? |
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Post by Rustin Cohle on Jul 26, 2019 8:06:58 GMT
I'm not dismissing him or Andreas. I like him - he works hard which is a nice change of pace in this side. He could really step up, but I haven't seen the evidence (based off last season) that he's ready to play to a top-4 standard every week. He's better than Matic, but that's not saying much. He may well become that player this season, and it looks like he certainly has the chance, but I don't think he's there just yet. I rate him, but not as much as others here. Put it this way - how many top 10 sides from last year would he start for? Above us, I can't see anywhere but Arsenal (today vs. Spurs was a friendly before anyone says he bossed their midfield). Below, he's not breaking into Leicester or Wolves' sides IMO, and arguably only Everton because they just sold Gueye. I'd love him to take the side by storm, and as things stand he's our second best midfielder, the best if Pogba doesn't show up. I just think that's more an indictment of how incredibly average most of our midfield options are than it is praise of Scott. Was it the first Barca game that he completely dominated? He was very good that day. But Jack Wilshere dominated a much better Barca side a decade earlier and came to nothing. What young talented players like Scott need is consistency, and that’s what I haven’t seen from him yet. He may well achieve it soon, I just don’t think he’s there right now. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 26, 2019 9:07:11 GMT
Was it the first Barca game that he completely dominated? He was very good that day. But Jack Wilshere dominated a much better Barca side a decade earlier and came to nothing. What young talented players like Scott need is consistency, and that’s what I haven’t seen from him yet. He may well achieve it soon, I just don’t think he’s there right now. The problem is that consistency is dependent on regular starts, so we either accept that and allow him the platform to progress or hedge our bets and bring in someone else who is more experienced. I think if we hold any candle for the academy we have to give Scott the chances now. Sure, he may plateau and prove to be a archetypal squad player, but without that risk we'll never really know. |
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Post by Tatty on Jul 26, 2019 9:20:49 GMT
Was it the first Barca game that he completely dominated? He was very good that day. But Jack Wilshere dominated a much better Barca side a decade earlier and came to nothing. What young talented players like Scott need is consistency, and that’s what I haven’t seen from him yet. He may well achieve it soon, I just don’t think he’s there right now. Jack Wilshere is also the 21st Century's Darren Anderton. McTom seems a bit sturdier, especially given his seemingly overnight growth spurt. |
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Post by jkr on Jul 26, 2019 9:29:40 GMT
He was very good that day. But Jack Wilshere dominated a much better Barca side a decade earlier and came to nothing. What young talented players like Scott need is consistency, and that’s what I haven’t seen from him yet. He may well achieve it soon, I just don’t think he’s there right now. The problem is that consistency is dependent on regular starts, so we either accept that and allow him the platform to progress or hedge our bets and bring in someone else who is more experienced. I think if we hold any candle for the academy we have to give Scott the chances now. Sure, he may plateau and prove to be a archetypal squad player, but without that risk we'll never really know. Consistency? He was more consistent than a certain £89m midfielder last season from March to May - yeah the business end of any season. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 26, 2019 10:49:54 GMT
Sorry but Scott has been one if not our most consistent player for months. For me he's one of the first names on the team sheet at the moment. The way he was holding Sissoko off the ball shows he's more than ready for life in the premier league.
Can't wait to see him grow this season, lad looks a born leader as well. He has a season like he did for most of last year and I'd happily give him the armband. Shows true attributes and not using it as an accessory or because he's "been here a while" like a few of the previous. Love that he was one of the first over to sort Sissoko out after the stamp on James aswell
Keep it going lad.
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Post by caino on Jul 26, 2019 11:14:31 GMT
Sorry but Scott has been one if not our most consistent player for months. For me he's one of the first names on the team sheet at the moment. The way he was holding Sissoko off the ball shows he's more than ready for life in the premier league. Can't wait to see him grow this season, lad looks a born leader as well. He has a season like he did for most of last year and I'd happily give him the armband. Shows true attributes and not using it as an accessory or because he's "been here a while" like a few of the previous. Love that he was one of the first over to sort Sissoko out after the stamp on James aswell Keep it going lad. One of the reasons we tailed off last season is because mctomminay got dropped for matic and it went down hill. Love how Scott just effortlessly man handles Kane away. It’s exactly what we need from our younger players. Proper fire in their belly |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 26, 2019 11:16:59 GMT
For me Scott starts ahead of Matic from now on. I like Matic but we're far too slow when he plays these days.
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Scotty - Pogba - Periera/Fred
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Post by Deleted on Jul 26, 2019 11:45:21 GMT
He was very good that day. But Jack Wilshere dominated a much better Barca side a decade earlier and came to nothing. What young talented players like Scott need is consistency, and that’s what I haven’t seen from him yet. He may well achieve it soon, I just don’t think he’s there right now. Jack Wilshere is also the 21st Century's Darren Anderton. McTom seems a bit sturdier, especially given his seemingly overnight growth spurt. Wasn't it wilshere who tried to take on Fellaini? |
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