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Post by ScholesEvilTwin on Jul 14, 2020 9:47:06 GMT
It will be forgotten because of the goal but that save from Dave was top class. That's the problem. If he'd made a mistake leasing to goal he'd get hung. Not seen anybody really mention that save. One that arguably stopped us losing the game. I'm frustrated after that but luckily its not the end of the world. Still in our own hands. I still see Chelsea and Leicester dropping points aswell so we've used up our lifeline, can't afford anymore mistakes. Unfortunately that's what they are. The goals we're conceding are down to our own players switching off. He should have come for the ball at the end. Instead he was rooted on his line. Its a major weakness in his game.
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Post by RAZ on Jul 14, 2020 9:55:55 GMT
Still fuming. That game was probably still easier than the Leicester one. Just fucking win it and we have a great chance of having it sewn up before we even go to Leicester. Now we'll almost certainly need at least a draw. Remember - top 4 was always the bare minimum in the league. Compared to previous seasons, it's likely we will have a lower points total to get it as well, in a league whose quality (IMO) is worse than I've ever seen it. The cups could make it a very good season, no doubt about that. Still all to play for. But I have PTSD from previous seasons, so I can just see it all slip away. And then if it does the club will talk about how close we got, and the manager will say we're doing great, and we won't sign anyone decent in the summer because they want CL football, and it'll all start over again. Sorry for the negativity. I'm in a right fucking mood. Everything about this result - how close it was, how we threw it away - has really angered me. It feels like it could be a microcosm of our season - start poorly, bit of individual magic for us to take the lead, then we throw it away at the last possible moment. If we don’t get a trophy this season or top 4, especially in the position we’re in now then we have to make a managerial change. His transfers on the whole have been good and he does seemed to have got the team working well together, the rest of it I’m not convinced. He’s had over 200 million to spend since he arrived . This is a missed opportunity in a season where everyone bar Liverpool and City have been largely shit. you say the transfers have been good and he got the the team working well together. but you would still sack him. for what? to bring someone who buys shit players again and who tears down that teamwork and starts from scratch? none of us in here is convinced ole is the man to bring us back to the top. but you dont just tear everything apart the moment when it finally looks like proper improvement. and yes, we look better than we ever looked under van gaal or mourinho. ole is not faultless and not perfect and might not be the man going into the future. but he certainly will leave a stable, young and hungry squad when he eventually leaves and from the looks of it a team that enjoys playing for him and attacking. this summer would be about the worst and most naive moment to sack him, absolute madness. this summer is the moment he needs to be backed by the board more than ever because its the first time we actually look like moving forwards, despite his and the players failures.
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Post by bobbins, again for some reason on Jul 14, 2020 9:56:47 GMT
Can't recall who mentioned it on here about the subs last night (possibly Karma) but i definitely thought Ole was convinced that we would see it out no problem by bringing them on.
He seemed to be trying to shore it up at the back and in midfield to just play the game out but i think Southampton smelt a possible opportunity to get back into it and then we were on the back foot mentally - but i suppose it's easy being wise ater the event.
I'm currently in work and like Rustin, 100% pissed off right now.
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Post by ScholesEvilTwin on Jul 14, 2020 9:59:37 GMT
Pretty sure there are only 3 slots to make subs. It's not a free for all, for obvious reasons. Hence we finished with 10 men. Still, nice to see the old "blame the manager, not the players" stick still survives But ... Ole's in-game management is consistently shit. Both that and the players mostly being sackless Tottenham-lites can be true at the same time. How is it though? There isn't exactly a wealth of talent sat on the bench to change things around. What more do you want him to do? Actually get on the pitch and do the players jobs? If Dave or Pogba had just leathered it down field early on we wouldn't have gone a goal down. And if Dave actually tried commanding his box and/or came for a few crosses, along with Lindelof learning how to mark and AWB & Maguire not marking each other (along with Martial and Rashford taking one of their other chances) we would have won comfortably.
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Post by Karma on Jul 14, 2020 10:01:17 GMT
If we don’t get a trophy this season or top 4, especially in the position we’re in now then we have to make a managerial change. His transfers on the whole have been good and he does seemed to have got the team working well together, the rest of it I’m not convinced. He’s had over 200 million to spend since he arrived . This is a missed opportunity in a season where everyone bar Liverpool and City have been largely shit. Yep, let's just blow everything up right when it looks like we're finally on he verge of something good happening again after 7 years. How do you know we’re on the verge of anything? Arsenal, Chelsea, Spurs and even City have all underperformed this season. 3 of them are the reason we’re still in this race. All of them have sacked their managers recently. One had a transfer ban. What’s our excuse? Are we still rebuilding? No other manager after Fergie got this kind of pass to not get top 4. The reason we’re having to practically win every game now to get back in it is because of a horrific run since August under his management. That’s even without the run after the PSG game.
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Post by Karma on Jul 14, 2020 10:08:38 GMT
If we don’t get a trophy this season or top 4, especially in the position we’re in now then we have to make a managerial change. His transfers on the whole have been good and he does seemed to have got the team working well together, the rest of it I’m not convinced. He’s had over 200 million to spend since he arrived . This is a missed opportunity in a season where everyone bar Liverpool and City have been largely shit. Give it a rest. Was Pogba's mistake down to him? Or the schoolboy defending for the equaliser? And don't tell me about the substitutions, because a good defense can hold on for 5 fucking minutes at 10 men. And we were playing Soton not Real Madrid. I am not a massive Ole fan either but you really do have it in for him. Pogba had a poor game however that was a strange substitution for a manager who is usually slow to make them. He was even subbed off earlier than he usually does them. As bad as he was we got a whole lot worse when he went off.
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Post by Kojak on Jul 14, 2020 10:14:14 GMT
Taking into account the City appeal decision (as predictable as it was) and the Southampton equaliser (equally as predictable), yesterday was probably the most crushing single day of the season.
The irony of us ending the game with ten men when they escaped an obvious red card is bad enough, but then factoring in their equalising goal being scored by the lad who replaced the cunt who should’ve been sent off. Brutal.
As ever, it’s the hope that kills you.
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Post by RAZ on Jul 14, 2020 10:19:05 GMT
Yep, let's just blow everything up right when it looks like we're finally on he verge of something good happening again after 7 years. How do you know we’re on the verge of anything? Arsenal, Chelsea, Spurs and even City have all underperformed this season. 3 of them are the reason we’re still in this race. All of them have sacked their managers recently. One had a transfer ban. What’s our excuse? Are we still rebuilding? No other manager after Fergie got this kind of pass to not get top 4. The reason we’re having to practically win every game now to get back in it is because of a horrific run since August under his management. That’s even without the run after the PSG game. You forgot one thing. 3 of them are the reason we're still in the race plus the 4th reason is ourselves who went on a run since January. People seem to forget that this run didn't start after the lockdown but actually started 7 months ago with a depleted squad full of injuries to our best players. No other manager got this kind of pass? Interesting how the others had a couple of full seasons while he hasn't even finished his first one. If you like comparing all those managers why don't you actually try to bring the comparisons to the same level? As I said earlier, he might not be the man. But you don't just sack the moment it actually looks like some things are finally coming together. What kind of logic is that
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Post by Deleted on Jul 14, 2020 10:21:39 GMT
Sorry but none of this was on Ole.
Besides the Obafemi goal every goal we've conceded has been due to our own mistakes. Most of it being basic defending. These are professional footballers ffs.
We've got squad depth but its clear we lack that quality in that depth. These players looked like they were running on half a tank of gas for most of the game last night nothing seemed to fit properly. Not taking anything away from Southampton either, they more than deserved the point.
We've been lucky with injuries so far since this lockdown so I can see why Ole made the changes when he did. In hindsight they could have been different but we still had the quality to see the game out. Again piss poor defending cost us the 3 points.
Also more pissed that Romeu got away with any punishment even with VAR being used to check it. Fucking useless bastards.
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Post by Karma on Jul 14, 2020 10:26:03 GMT
How do you know we’re on the verge of anything? Arsenal, Chelsea, Spurs and even City have all underperformed this season. 3 of them are the reason we’re still in this race. All of them have sacked their managers recently. One had a transfer ban. What’s our excuse? Are we still rebuilding? No other manager after Fergie got this kind of pass to not get top 4. The reason we’re having to practically win every game now to get back in it is because of a horrific run since August under his management. That’s even without the run after the PSG game. You forgot one thing. 3 of them are the reason we're still in the race plus the 4th reason is ourselves who went on a run since January. People seem to forget that this run didn't start after the lockdown but actually started 7 months ago with a depleted squad full of injuries to our best players. No other manager got this kind of pass? Interesting how the others had a couple of full seasons while he hasn't even finished his first one. If you like comparing all those managers why don't you actually try to bring the comparisons to the same level? As I said earlier, he might not be the man. But you don't just sack the moment it actually looks like some things are finally coming together. What kind of logic is that Every other manager after Fergie was sacked if they didn’t get CL football. Last season he got a pass because he was hired in December. Why can’t we just admit we’re lowering the bar for iffs and maybe’s? Instead of dressing it up as something else?
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Post by Carbon on Jul 14, 2020 11:15:16 GMT
Sorry but none of this was on Ole. Besides the Obafemi goal every goal we've conceded has been due to our own mistakes. Most of it being basic defending. These are professional footballers ffs. We've got squad depth but its clear we lack that quality in that depth. These players looked like they were running on half a tank of gas for most of the game last night nothing seemed to fit properly. Not taking anything away from Southampton either, they more than deserved the point. We've been lucky with injuries so far since this lockdown so I can see why Ole made the changes when he did. In hindsight they could have been different but we still had the quality to see the game out. Again piss poor defending cost us the 3 points. Also more pissed that Romeu got away with any punishment even with VAR being used to check it. Fucking useless bastards.
Did someone else type up that post? its very rational for you
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Post by Chris on Jul 14, 2020 11:16:28 GMT
That's the problem. If he'd made a mistake leasing to goal he'd get hung. Not seen anybody really mention that save. One that arguably stopped us losing the game. I'm frustrated after that but luckily its not the end of the world. Still in our own hands. I still see Chelsea and Leicester dropping points aswell so we've used up our lifeline, can't afford anymore mistakes. Unfortunately that's what they are. The goals we're conceding are down to our own players switching off. He should have come for the ball at the end. Instead he was rooted on his line. Its a major weakness in his game. In glad you've said that. Its practically gone right over his head and he's done nothing. Feet nailed to the floor. 3 players dealt with it horribly. 96th minute for fuck sake
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Post by johnboy14 on Jul 14, 2020 11:27:41 GMT
You forgot one thing. 3 of them are the reason we're still in the race plus the 4th reason is ourselves who went on a run since January. People seem to forget that this run didn't start after the lockdown but actually started 7 months ago with a depleted squad full of injuries to our best players. No other manager got this kind of pass? Interesting how the others had a couple of full seasons while he hasn't even finished his first one. If you like comparing all those managers why don't you actually try to bring the comparisons to the same level? As I said earlier, he might not be the man. But you don't just sack the moment it actually looks like some things are finally coming together. What kind of logic is that Every other manager after Fergie was sacked if they didn’t get CL football. Last season he got a pass because he was hired in December. Why can’t we just admit we’re lowering the bar for iffs and maybe’s? Instead of dressing it up as something else? You have to take into account where we are. The bar is already down round our ankles in my opinion. Unless you can acquire the services of a top coach, sacking him is counter productive. Sacking managers is not working for us.
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Post by Karma on Jul 14, 2020 11:32:33 GMT
How do you know we’re on the verge of anything? Arsenal, Chelsea, Spurs and even City have all underperformed this season. 3 of them are the reason we’re still in this race. All of them have sacked their managers recently. One had a transfer ban. What’s our excuse? Are we still rebuilding? No other manager after Fergie got this kind of pass to not get top 4. The reason we’re having to practically win every game now to get back in it is because of a horrific run since August under his management. That’s even without the run after the PSG game. You forgot one thing. 3 of them are the reason we're still in the race plus the 4th reason is ourselves who went on a run since January. People seem to forget that this run didn't start after the lockdown but actually started 7 months ago with a depleted squad full of injuries to our best players. No other manager got this kind of pass? Interesting how the others had a couple of full seasons while he hasn't even finished his first one. If you like comparing all those managers why don't you actually try to bring the comparisons to the same level? As I said earlier, he might not be the man. But you don't just sack the moment it actually looks like some things are finally coming together. What kind of logic is that Last season it was fitness , this season it’s injuries. Seems to be a pattern here.
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Post by Bestie on Jul 14, 2020 11:38:21 GMT
Woke up and I'm still absolutely fuming. I just don't think we'll do it in the league now and we will be relying on the lottery of Europa. Chelsea and Leicester will win their games this week and if we don't beat Palace, we are done for. I don't think this side has the mental strength to take advantage of any slip ups. This. Got up and almost immediately realised I was furious. It's the one step forward, two steps back shit that's basically predictable at this point. Mental dwarves our lot.
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