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Post by GeniusCantona on Sept 26, 2020 16:55:19 GMT
Our starting XI is not top four quality. definitely not all of them, the whole back 5, double pivot, rw. Realistically only Rashford, martial and bruno can knock on top 4 doors with confidence. DDG yes but for chelsea and same with AWB maybe. Forget city and the dippers but you don’t think VDB, Mason, Maguire, Pogba or AWB would break into spurs, Arsenal or Chelsea’s starting 11? We have quality it’s just not good enough to mount a title challenge. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 26, 2020 16:57:47 GMT
Until the boards focus and priorities change, nothing else will change. Cracks will be papered over for a while and start reappearing after people are conned into think we've turned another corner.
No manager will succeed at this club until that happens.
But once again the blame seems to be on the managers shoulders (he should house some of it btw but not all). Keane said it himself. They threw Jose under the bus, they'll do the same to Ole. Really feel for the guy because his legacy at the club will be spat on because the owners go against their word...again.
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Post by alwaysUnited on Sept 26, 2020 17:15:31 GMT
Pochettino is a better manager than Ole, I can’t really understand how this is being argued. I would ask: “Is pochettino the best attainable manager to replace Ole when we inevitably sack him?” not sure if the answer is “yes.” We won and that’s great but we were absolutely outplayed by Brighton, a week after we were absolutely outplayed by Crystal Palace, at home. You can blame fitness all you want but the system is nonexistent. At this stage questions about a lack of clear style of play must be asked of Ole. I am with karma on this one - Allegri is the best attainable manager right now. For me , i feel about Ole same way i feel about luke shaw as LB -- is is he best LB out there - no way , can we do better - yes , given current situation is a LB the biggest priority right now - i dont think so , we have bigger worries on the right , at DM , CB and even on RB. I dont think Ole is the biggest problem right now , he deserves a fair chance this season to show what he can do. But he also need the board to support him with transfers. |
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Post by mightyez on Sept 26, 2020 17:20:40 GMT
definitely not all of them, the whole back 5, double pivot, rw. Realistically only Rashford, martial and bruno can knock on top 4 doors with confidence. DDG yes but for chelsea and same with AWB maybe. Forget city and the dippers but you don’t think VDB, Mason, Maguire, Pogba or AWB would break into spurs, Arsenal or Chelsea’s starting 11? We have quality it’s just not good enough to mount a title challenge. Those teams yeah but we should be looking at city and Liverpool. Pogba sits on the bench for all the teams mentioned apart from Spurs. Vdb let’s see what he does |
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Post by GeniusCantona on Sept 26, 2020 17:40:54 GMT
Forget city and the dippers but you don’t think VDB, Mason, Maguire, Pogba or AWB would break into spurs, Arsenal or Chelsea’s starting 11? We have quality it’s just not good enough to mount a title challenge. Those teams yeah but we should be looking at city and Liverpool. Pogba sits on the bench for all the teams mentioned apart from Spurs. Vdb let’s see what he does Pogba would start on spurs, Arsenal and Chelsea. Let’s not be daft because he got corona and has had a slow start to the season. My point was that we have a top 4 quality starting 11. I’m not even thinking dippers or city since we’re short at least 3 in our starting 11 from being a title contender. |
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Post by Bestie on Sept 26, 2020 17:45:14 GMT
Our starting XI is not top four quality. It is, that’s how we finished top 4 to begin with. We produced some quality performances last year and these two games are not indicative of how we’re capable of playing. The lack of a true pre-season is hurting us and I expect an improvement. It is not. We finished in the top four by default. Leicester imploded/suffered significant injuries and we got very, very lucky Bruno hit the ground running. We are not in the best four teams in the division. |
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Post by Bestie on Sept 26, 2020 17:49:01 GMT
definitely not all of them, the whole back 5, double pivot, rw. Realistically only Rashford, martial and bruno can knock on top 4 doors with confidence. DDG yes but for chelsea and same with AWB maybe. Forget city and the dippers but you don’t think VDB, Mason, Maguire, Pogba or AWB would break into spurs, Arsenal or Chelsea’s starting 11? We have quality it’s just not good enough to mount a title challenge. Especially after today, I don't trust a single one of our back four as top four quality. Maybe as individuals in a better team. At a push. |
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Post by Bestie on Sept 26, 2020 17:49:45 GMT
Those teams yeah but we should be looking at city and Liverpool. Pogba sits on the bench for all the teams mentioned apart from Spurs. Vdb let’s see what he does Pogba would start on spurs, Arsenal and Chelsea. Let’s not be daft because he got corona and has had a slow start to the season. My point was that we have a top 4 quality starting 11. I’m not even thinking dippers or city since we’re short at least 3 in our starting 11 from being a title contender. Not in his current form he wouldn't. |
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Post by GeniusCantona on Sept 26, 2020 17:53:20 GMT
It is, that’s how we finished top 4 to begin with. We produced some quality performances last year and these two games are not indicative of how we’re capable of playing. The lack of a true pre-season is hurting us and I expect an improvement. It is not. We finished in the top four by default. Leicester imploded/suffered significant injuries and we got very, very lucky Bruno hit the ground running. We are not in the best four teams in the division. Injuries derailed us early on last season causing a piss poor start. The odds evened out and Leicester had their injury crisis simply at the wrong time. City and dippers aside, you think the rents, Spurs, Arsenal and Leicester have a better starting 11 than us? Are we going to excuse what West Brom are doing right now? If after 10 games we’re seeing the same issues then fine but right now to early to tell. |
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Post by Ole's Red Whiteknight03 Army on Sept 26, 2020 17:55:27 GMT
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Post by Ole's Red Whiteknight03 Army on Sept 26, 2020 17:59:41 GMT
There’s a reason every top manager we’ve gone after has taken a hard left. What can we offer a top manager? You’ll inherit a squad with glaring deficiencies in defence and attack. A board with a proved track record of refusing to improve the squad or bring in the players you will want, supporting players with marketability over you and sacking you whilst throwing you under the bus when things go wrong. The players you’ll be left trying to ‘coach up’ are vastly overpaid and have a history of disappearing or downing tools after being spoken to sternly. You will become the target of abuse and vitriol from a support base taking its angst and frustrations with the ownership out on you. Why put yourself through that? There were strong rumours we approached Zidane who after putting out feelers, particularly about control over transfers, told us politely no thanks. Pep and Klopp too. |
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Post by mightyez on Sept 26, 2020 18:19:07 GMT
Those teams yeah but we should be looking at city and Liverpool. Pogba sits on the bench for all the teams mentioned apart from Spurs. Vdb let’s see what he does Pogba would start on spurs, Arsenal and Chelsea. Let’s not be daft because he got corona and has had a slow start to the season. My point was that we have a top 4 quality starting 11. I’m not even thinking dippers or city since we’re short at least 3 in our starting 11 from being a title contender. Pogba start hmmm. Good luck with that. |
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Post by mightyez on Sept 26, 2020 18:26:37 GMT
Judge pogba fairly on consistency, he lacks that.
Tactical positional awareness, he lacks that.
The mentality of a big game player, he lacks that.
The desire to make the most of the clear talent he possesses, he lacks that.
Jose made excuses for him and then realised he was wasting time
Ole is doing the same!
I would love for it all to work as there is a player there but the acquisition on Bruno was a clear indication we wanted to move away from the player, unfortunately COVID 19 hit and the player is going nowhere.
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Post by Stretty on Sept 26, 2020 18:39:29 GMT
Judge pogba fairly on consistency, he lacks that. Tactical positional awareness, he lacks that. The mentality of a big game player, he lacks that. The desire to make the most of the clear talent he possesses, he lacks that. Jose made excuses for him and then realised he was wasting time Ole is doing the same! I would love for it all to work as there is a player there but the acquisition on Bruno was a clear indication we wanted to move away from the player, unfortunately COVID 19 hit and the player is going nowhere. if pogba had the same history with Madrid or Barca that he’s had with us then.... 1.i doubt they would have resigned him 2.if they had he’d have been fucked off at least 2 seasons ago |
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Post by keanosdog16 on Sept 26, 2020 18:48:25 GMT
Missed most of the game today, sounds like we were fucking awesome....
Fuckin desperate. Serious lack of desire from most of our players. I'd long to see a player of ours give someone a serious rollicking for not doing their fuckin job ala Keane....
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