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Post by Stretty on Feb 8, 2021 22:28:23 GMT
It seems that if Ole buys a good player then all well and good as in Bruno... but if he`s bought a player and he`s crap for example Maguire or inherits a bad one for example Lindelof he doesent have the coaching knowhow to improve them, and that goes for the whole coaching staff they are cluelesshe appointed most of them. |
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Post by oscared on Feb 8, 2021 22:39:42 GMT
It seems that if Ole buys a good player then all well and good as in Bruno... but if he`s bought a player and he`s crap for example Maguire or inherits a bad one for example Lindelof he doesent have the coaching knowhow to improve them, and that goes for the whole coaching staff they are cluelesshe appointed most of them. I know. |
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Post by viking22 on Feb 8, 2021 23:03:42 GMT
Yeah that is the problem. It is great that we've been rebuilding with lots of young talent. But you need that experience and leadership in the team and nowhere is that more important than at the back. Unfortunately Maguire doesn't seem capable of leading a backline and at his previous clubs always benefited from playing alongside an experienced old hand such as Evans and Dawson. De Gea no longer inspires confidence and has never been commanding the way Schmeichel used to be. Smalling and Jones by now should have become veterans but neither worked out. So I think we really need to bring in an experienced centre back this summer.
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Post by Bestie on Feb 8, 2021 23:32:48 GMT
We did actually win some trophies under them... ...however, I hated the style of football that we played...I do prefer to watch us play these days...but we are bloody frustrating when a team sits back against us... We’re not the finished article just yet. Recruitment is painfully slow, but patience would pay off. I wouldn’t swap what we’re seeing for a league cup Yeah, fuck trophies. Football is really about conceding enough shit goals to ruin scoring good goals. Fucking hell. |
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Post by Bestie on Feb 8, 2021 23:43:38 GMT
Or perhaps some posters watch the reserves or followed him at Villa. And he had one stinker, not a couple. Axel had a blinder against PSG and was immediately relegated to the bench and that useless clown Lindelof was first choice. Axel has shown serious talent at every stage in his career. He could very easily have grown in confidence getting a run in the side, but no, Ole has to go back to his favourite. Which is exactly the same thing as happened to Bailly, who won us all 3 points with a fantastic block against Villa. Which counted for nothing as Vic was straight back in and stinking the place out. CBs improve by playing. We don’t know what Alex can be. We know exactly whatLindelof is. Fucking useless and a wimp to boot. Go back and watch the Sevilla winner against us. It should have been the end of him, absolutely scandalous defending. Instead he starts every game. No wonder our defence is useless. Not Ole’s fault though. Never Ole’s fault. It's a tricky one. ... We need a strong experienced CB to partner Maguire, while Tuanzebe makes progress, injury-record permitting. I'm sure Ole knows that. Do you honestly believe he wouldn't appreciate signing one? Nope. We need a strong, experienced CB to replace and upgrade on Maguire then hope some thick as pigshit club is dumb enough to pay us real money to be rid of him. He's slow, his positioning is appalling, he doesn't anticipate danger, he isn't great on the ball, and he's a coward. Get him the fuck out. Ole wouldn't appreciate that because he made the big dumb oaf captain of Manchester United. |
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Post by thesheepdog on Feb 8, 2021 23:50:10 GMT
I am torn on project Ole but we honestly all know how this story is going to end.
I suppose we have to ask, Is Ole within the top 10 managers in world football.
Are any of our coaching staff in the top 10 coaches in world football.
If not then they shouldn't be at the club , were supposed to be trying to be one on the top 4 clubs in world football Its ok appointing ex players in these positions because they know the DNA of the club. How we should play etc.
I know that but should I manage the club or train the players no I shouldn't. Ole was a stop gap to reboot the club. He's done that
We need a director of football who has a long term plan for the club that should not change even if the manager does.
We need world renowned coaches, Scouts and a top manager who's not a dick like Jose
Otherwise we will get this constant churn of managers. Philosophy's and then players who will fail and we start again.
If we get someone in charge of the football side of things instead of Ed , like Van De Sar or someone who commands respect in the football world. Even with these toss pot owners we might have a chance of eventually getting back at the top table.
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Post by alwaysUnited on Feb 9, 2021 4:55:21 GMT
Of course I’m not sure. However, based on I’ve seen over the last two years I have reasons to be optimistic. Are you sure sacking the manager is the recipe for success. Because we’ve done that three times already during them seven bastard years. No not at all, I'm well on the fence when it comes to ole. I was just wondering how may more windows you think it will take for our patience to pay off? like you say its been painfully slow, nothing suggests to me we'll get there while we piss about in the transfer market where others will be ruthless and just keep pulling away from us, as said before we're forever playing catch up For me Klopp is best manager currently active (yuck !). liverpool was in a similar situation to us when he came in. This is what happened 1st full season : 4th (76 points) 2nd full season: 4th (75 points) 3rd full season: 2nd (97 points) 4th full season: PL winners (99 points) See the 2nd season and 3rd season difference , that is just due to Van dijk. Their second season was very much similar to what we are going through now. So if it took 4 seasons for klopp , why do we expect Ole to do it in 2 seasons ? Bare minimum we need a good CB and a RW to mount a serious challenge. Although ideally i would say we need 2 CBs , one midfielder to replace pogba, RW , attacking RB and a striker (as cavani is 33 and not a long term option) |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 9, 2021 6:54:25 GMT
That’s not on Ole though, is it? He’d love to have the money Pep shops with. He has been doing well with what he has. I have no reason to believe other managers would have done any better under the circumstances. I didnt say it was all on ole, was just trying gauge how and why you can be so optimistic. Its also debatable that ole has done well in the transfer market. One thing I do know is, we can't keep buying players hoping they reach their potential, thats in part what is holding us back. we need finished articles now, proper technically good players with football brains. Let's see who he brings in next..... I am optimistic because I enjoy our football more than I have for years. We are still not consistent enough to be serious title contenders, but we are getting better in that respect too with extended runs of good results. Our ability to turn games on their head is also a cause for optimism. It's been ages since I had the feeling that we're going to win even when we concede first.
Jose brought in finished articles. Pogba, Lukaku, Sanchez, Bailly, Lindelof... we know how that ended. I prefer the recruitment during Ole's reign, but I am tired of arguing who's responsible for the signings- for some Ole's responsible for the dodgy ones, but the obvious good ones carry him.
Lastly, perhaps I'm optimistic because I'm old and not as impatient as younger fans are!
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Post by Deleted on Feb 9, 2021 7:04:06 GMT
That’s not on Ole though, is it? He’d love to have the money Pep shops with. He has been doing well with what he has. I have no reason to believe other managers would have done any better under the circumstances. He's spent almost 300M in two years. Other clubs have a lot of money too, but he's hardly scrounging around in the bargain bin looking for buy one get one free offers. You say you don't believe any other manager could do better? Klopp signed Robertson, VVD, Thiago, Fabinho, Salah, Mane, and Allison for less than that. Ole spent it on Maguire, DVB (who he refuses to play) and Dan James. Klopp is the best manager around. Unfortunately, he wasn't available when Jose went.
I have to agree that the scouse recruitment over the last few years has been excellent. That the people in charge of ours are incompetent is highlighted by their failure to land at least three of that list in whom we showed interest. Liverpool also got hefty fees for Solanke, Ibe and fucking Brewster whereas we keep our dross for years on over 100k a week before selling for a bag of crisps.
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Post by Jayrannasaurus on Feb 9, 2021 7:06:15 GMT
I think everyone's aware we're likely stuck with Maguire purely because we overpaid so heavily.
Our best bet is a replacement for Lindelof, who can be equally calamitous.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 9, 2021 7:08:49 GMT
No not at all, I'm well on the fence when it comes to ole. I was just wondering how may more windows you think it will take for our patience to pay off? like you say its been painfully slow, nothing suggests to me we'll get there while we piss about in the transfer market where others will be ruthless and just keep pulling away from us, as said before we're forever playing catch up For me Klopp is best manager currently active (yuck !). liverpool was in a similar situation to us when he came in. This is what happened 1st full season : 4th (76 points) 2nd full season: 4th (75 points) 3rd full season: 2nd (97 points) 4th full season: PL winners (99 points) See the 2nd season and 3rd season difference , that is just due to Van dijk. Their second season was very much similar to what we are going through now. So if it took 4 seasons for klopp , why do we expect Ole to do it in 2 seasons ? Bare minimum we need a good CB and a RW to mount a serious challenge. Although ideally i would say we need 2 CBs , one midfielder to replace pogba, RW , attacking RB and a striker (as cavani is 33 and not a long term option) I'm sure most people would agree on the bolded part.
Then, some people believe sacking Ole would land that bunch next summer.
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Post by alwaysUnited on Feb 9, 2021 7:40:26 GMT
I didnt say it was all on ole, was just trying gauge how and why you can be so optimistic. Its also debatable that ole has done well in the transfer market. One thing I do know is, we can't keep buying players hoping they reach their potential, thats in part what is holding us back. we need finished articles now, proper technically good players with football brains. Let's see who he brings in next..... I am optimistic because I enjoy our football more than I have for years. We are still not consistent enough to be serious title contenders, but we are getting better in that respect too with extended runs of good results. Our ability to turn games on their head is also a cause for optimism. It's been ages since I had the feeling that we're going to win even when we concede first.
Jose brought in finished articles. Pogba, Lukaku, Sanchez, Bailly, Lindelof... we know how that ended. I prefer the recruitment during Ole's reign, but I am tired of arguing who's responsible for the signings- for some Ole's responsible for the dodgy ones, but the obvious good ones carry him.
Lastly, perhaps I'm optimistic because I'm old and not as impatient as younger fans are!
I like Ole's recruitment too , but especially in defence we need finished products. Cant afford to buy another 19 or 20 year old and wait for 5 years to see if he is shit or not. |
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Post by keanosdog16 on Feb 9, 2021 7:53:06 GMT
I didnt say it was all on ole, was just trying gauge how and why you can be so optimistic. Its also debatable that ole has done well in the transfer market. One thing I do know is, we can't keep buying players hoping they reach their potential, thats in part what is holding us back. we need finished articles now, proper technically good players with football brains. Let's see who he brings in next..... I am optimistic because I enjoy our football more than I have for years. We are still not consistent enough to be serious title contenders, but we are getting better in that respect too with extended runs of good results. Our ability to turn games on their head is also a cause for optimism. It's been ages since I had the feeling that we're going to win even when we concede first.
Jose brought in finished articles. Pogba, Lukaku, Sanchez, Bailly, Lindelof... we know how that ended. I prefer the recruitment during Ole's reign, but I am tired of arguing who's responsible for the signings- for some Ole's responsible for the dodgy ones, but the obvious good ones carry him.
Lastly, perhaps I'm optimistic because I'm old and not as impatient as younger fans are!
Think there's a case to say lukaku should have been kept, ole alienated him in favour of martial and look how thats turned out, everyone wants him out. Then there's smalling, look how thats turned out, he'd be far better over lindelof any day of the week. Its not all on ole but some of it is and he needs to look at how his defence is being coached because its a shambles, if that means brining in a new coach or something then do it. P.s. I'm not young and I'm impatient, everyone is different, 7 years we've waited, you're optimistic where most are not, like someone on here said recently its all very very fragile |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 9, 2021 8:02:58 GMT
I am optimistic because I enjoy our football more than I have for years. We are still not consistent enough to be serious title contenders, but we are getting better in that respect too with extended runs of good results. Our ability to turn games on their head is also a cause for optimism. It's been ages since I had the feeling that we're going to win even when we concede first.
Jose brought in finished articles. Pogba, Lukaku, Sanchez, Bailly, Lindelof... we know how that ended. I prefer the recruitment during Ole's reign, but I am tired of arguing who's responsible for the signings- for some Ole's responsible for the dodgy ones, but the obvious good ones carry him.
Lastly, perhaps I'm optimistic because I'm old and not as impatient as younger fans are!
I like Ole's recruitment too , but especially in defence we need finished products. Cant afford to buy another 19 or 20 year old and wait for 5 years to see if he is shit or not. The thing here is that i feel Ole is getting us to the point where the scouse were when they went for Allison and VVD. These were the final pieces in the jigsaw and were record signings. Prior to that Klopp had to be very shrewd in his transfer dealings. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 9, 2021 8:08:12 GMT
I am optimistic because I enjoy our football more than I have for years. We are still not consistent enough to be serious title contenders, but we are getting better in that respect too with extended runs of good results. Our ability to turn games on their head is also a cause for optimism. It's been ages since I had the feeling that we're going to win even when we concede first.
Jose brought in finished articles. Pogba, Lukaku, Sanchez, Bailly, Lindelof... we know how that ended. I prefer the recruitment during Ole's reign, but I am tired of arguing who's responsible for the signings- for some Ole's responsible for the dodgy ones, but the obvious good ones carry him.
Lastly, perhaps I'm optimistic because I'm old and not as impatient as younger fans are!
Think there's a case to say lukaku should have been kept, ole alienated him in favour of martial and look how thats turned out, everyone wants him out. Then there's smalling, look how thats turned out, he'd be far better over lindelof any day of the week. Its not all on ole but some of it is and he needs to look at how his defence is being coached because its a shambles, if that means brining in a new coach or something then do it. P.s. I'm not young and I'm impatient, everyone is different, 7 years we've waited, you're optimistic where most are not, like someone on here said recently its all very very fragile That argument of the 7-year wait is another one I cannot understand. If I follow the point fully then the next manager will only get one season to win the title or he's gone because by then it'll be an 8-9 year wait. It's not on Ole that we've had fuckwits for managers before he arrived.
I agree that we could do with recruitment to the coaching stuff. What we see is beyond a collection of brainfarts
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