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Post by Kojak on Feb 15, 2021 20:49:23 GMT
It’s not the unknown. You know exactly what would happen. We’d replace him and do no better than we’re doing now. I guarantee you wouldn’t say that if he hadn’t played for us. It’s got fuck all to do with that. It’s about the structure of the club. There are obviously better managers out there than Ole. We’ve had better managers. And it hasn’t worked out. History teaches. We will not win the league again with this mob in charge. This is the thing, if you want rid of Ole, we’re expected to listen and respect the opinion. But if there’s a different viewpoint on it, well “you’re only saying that because he played for the club”. I’m not fucking blind. I’ve been watching football my whole life. Plenty of it. I know full well what the man’s limitations are. The fact he scored one of the biggest goals in the history of the club doesn’t cloud the fact that he repeatedly starts Lindelof at centre back. I am of the opinion that when we replace Ole, we will do no better than this. And in a couple of years time we’d all be here wanting whoever it is sacked and there’d be people hoping we lose every game to bring it on sooner. |
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Post by Karma on Feb 15, 2021 22:12:06 GMT
I guarantee you wouldn’t say that if he hadn’t played for us. It’s got fuck all to do with that. It’s about the structure of the club. There are obviously better managers out there than Ole. We’ve had better managers. And it hasn’t worked out. History teaches. We will not win the league again with this mob in charge. This is the thing, if you want rid of Ole, we’re expected to listen and respect the opinion. But if there’s a different viewpoint on it, well “you’re only saying that because he played for the club”. I’m not fucking blind. I’ve been watching football my whole life. Plenty of it. I know full well what the man’s limitations are. The fact he scored one of the biggest goals in the history of the club doesn’t cloud the fact that he repeatedly starts Lindelof at centre back. I am of the opinion that when we replace Ole, we will do no better than this. And in a couple of years time we’d all be here wanting whoever it is sacked and there’d be people hoping we lose every game to bring it on sooner. Nothing wrong with sacking managers if they’re not up to the job. Elite clubs do it all the time. |
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Post by dazjoe on Feb 15, 2021 22:18:57 GMT
The thing is we haven't had an elite manager since Fergie, so we have no idea if one could get us back to the top again.
Moyes was as much an elite manager as Phil Jones is an elite footballer. Yes he's going well at West Ham this season, fair do's and all that. But he was shocking here, never in a million years a Man United manager.
Van Gaal came to United after being sacked by Barca and sacked by Bayern. He was finished as an eilte level manager and everyone knew it. Again, yes he did well with getting Holland to the World Cup semi's, but Southgate got England there too so, you know. And his game plan in the World Cup was "defend, defend, defend, GIVE IT TO ROBBEN! defend, defend, defend".
Jose, again, done as a top level manager. Again, yes he won the title with Chelsea, but he was then sacked with them almost in a relegation battle. He's now taking Spurs nicely into mid table, and read any comments from Spurs fans about them and their football. It's atrocious and they all hate him with a passion.
We've fucked up 4 times in finding a manager. That is criminal. There are top options out there, managers at the top of their games, playing great football, winning titles and cups and entertaining the fans. But we take the complete wrong option every time. Maybe try hiring one of those and lets see if we can win nothing with these owners or if, shock gasp horror, the managers might have something to do with it?
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Post by Stretty on Feb 15, 2021 22:22:55 GMT
It’s got fuck all to do with that. It’s about the structure of the club. There are obviously better managers out there than Ole. We’ve had better managers. And it hasn’t worked out. History teaches. We will not win the league again with this mob in charge. This is the thing, if you want rid of Ole, we’re expected to listen and respect the opinion. But if there’s a different viewpoint on it, well “you’re only saying that because he played for the club”. I’m not fucking blind. I’ve been watching football my whole life. Plenty of it. I know full well what the man’s limitations are. The fact he scored one of the biggest goals in the history of the club doesn’t cloud the fact that he repeatedly starts Lindelof at centre back. I am of the opinion that when we replace Ole, we will do no better than this. And in a couple of years time we’d all be here wanting whoever it is sacked and there’d be people hoping we lose every game to bring it on sooner. Nothing wrong with sacking managers if they’re not up to the job. Elite clubs do it all the time. chelsea binned this club legend bollocks as soon as they could see it wasn’t working and hired a better manager within a few weeks of one being available they are just 4 points behind us now |
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Post by Kojak on Feb 15, 2021 22:38:17 GMT
Nothing wrong with sacking managers if they’re not up to the job. Elite clubs do it all the time. chelsea binned this club legend bollocks as soon as they could see it wasn’t working and hired a better manager within a few weeks of one being available they are just 4 points behind us now Aye they were about 7th weren’t they? To be fair to the cunts in charge (something I’ll rarely say) they’re not going to sack the manager when he’s 2nd in the league. |
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Post by Bestie on Feb 15, 2021 23:19:52 GMT
chelsea binned this club legend bollocks as soon as they could see it wasn’t working and hired a better manager within a few weeks of one being available they are just 4 points behind us now Aye they were about 7th weren’t they? To be fair to the cunts in charge (something I’ll rarely say) they’re not going to sack the manager when he’s 2nd in the league. They should have sacked him when he got us knocked out of the European Cup. |
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Post by Karma on Feb 15, 2021 23:23:03 GMT
chelsea binned this club legend bollocks as soon as they could see it wasn’t working and hired a better manager within a few weeks of one being available they are just 4 points behind us now Aye they were about 7th weren’t they? To be fair to the cunts in charge (something I’ll rarely say) they’re not going to sack the manager when he’s 2nd in the league. They sacked Ancellotti for finishing 2nd though. Our fans would be having kittens over that one. |
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Post by Bestie on Feb 16, 2021 0:51:31 GMT
Aye they were about 7th weren’t they? To be fair to the cunts in charge (something I’ll rarely say) they’re not going to sack the manager when he’s 2nd in the league. They sacked Ancelotti for finishing 2nd though. Our fans would be having kittens over that one. Do you remember when Chelsea gave totally-unqualified-for-the-job Avram Grant a four-year contract on the back of a successful caretaker spell then sacked him the following summer after reaching a domestic cup final, finishing 2nd in the League on the last day of the season and losing the European Cup final on penalties? I 'member. |
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Post by Karma on Feb 16, 2021 6:17:36 GMT
They sacked Ancelotti for finishing 2nd though. Our fans would be having kittens over that one. Do you remember when Chelsea gave totally-unqualified-for-the-job Avram Grant a four-year contract on the back of a successful caretaker spell then sacked him the following summer after reaching a domestic cup final, finishing 2nd in the League on the last day of the season and losing the European Cup final on penalties? I 'member. Or that other ex player who won them an fa and CL double only to sack him around 6 months later? Glazers would have give him a new deal. Ah, elite club mentality how I miss you. |
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Post by Stretty on Feb 16, 2021 6:22:07 GMT
Do you remember when Chelsea gave totally-unqualified-for-the-job Avram Grant a four-year contract on the back of a successful caretaker spell then sacked him the following summer after reaching a domestic cup final, finishing 2nd in the League on the last day of the season and losing the European Cup final on penalties? I 'member. Or that other ex player who won them an fa and CL double only to sack him around 6 months later? Glazers would have give him a new deal. Ah, elite club mentality how I miss you. on top of that at least half the team would have to be given future roles in the club once they retired as they are legends,get the club,dna etc.etc. |
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Post by oscared on Feb 16, 2021 7:22:16 GMT
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Post by kstandhand on Feb 16, 2021 7:23:30 GMT
Not sure why we want to be comparing ourselves with any other club to try justify or not the ability of our manager.
Quite simply he's not good enough for us,he never was & never will be.
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Post by Kojak on Feb 16, 2021 10:27:56 GMT
Aye they were about 7th weren’t they? To be fair to the cunts in charge (something I’ll rarely say) they’re not going to sack the manager when he’s 2nd in the league. They sacked Ancellotti for finishing 2nd though. Our fans would be having kittens over that one. Are you trying to claim that sacking Ancelotti and replacing him with Andre Villas Boas was a good decision? The fans would rightly be having kittens. “Elite club mentality, how I miss you”. Eh? I don’t think we’ve ever conducted ourselves like Chelsea in the history of this club. Maybe other than when we sacked LVG after he won the FA Cup, which goes against some of the other points you’ve made. We don’t conduct ourselves like an elite club, but the way Chelsea conduct themselves isn’t the benchmark for that. When we were an elite club, we used to laugh at the way they carried on. A lot of those Chelsea managers were sacked for falling out with either their volatile owner, or because their top players turned on them and went to Roman/the press crying. The atmosphere within the club under Ole hasn’t gone sour yet. |
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Post by Stew on Feb 16, 2021 11:49:42 GMT
They sacked Ancellotti for finishing 2nd though. Our fans would be having kittens over that one. Are you trying to claim that sacking Ancelotti and replacing him with Andre Villas Boas was a good decision? The fans would rightly be having kittens. “Elite club mentality, how I miss you”. Eh? I don’t think we’ve ever conducted ourselves like Chelsea in the history of this club. Maybe other than when we sacked LVG after he won the FA Cup, which goes against some of the other points you’ve made. We don’t conduct ourselves like an elite club, but the way Chelsea conduct themselves isn’t the benchmark for that. When we were an elite club, we used to laugh at the way they carried on. A lot of those Chelsea managers were sacked for falling out with either their volatile owner, or because their top players turned on them and went to Roman/the press crying. The atmosphere within the club under Ole hasn’t gone sour yet. I despise Chelsea. In a lot of ways they’re all that’s wrong with the game. Because of Chelsea we now have PSG and even worse City. I despise their plastic fans and their inability to have more than one chant. I despise their shitheap of a ground. I despise their owner and the true reason for why he bought the club in the first place. I am in awe of their decisiveness when it comes to dealing with mediocrity however. And since Fergie left they’re a more successful club than we are. So while their methods are wretched they are better than ours. Which isn’t saying that much I know but still. |
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Post by Stew on Feb 16, 2021 11:54:12 GMT
Good to see from Lockhurst. |
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