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Post by oscared on Sept 27, 2021 7:54:39 GMT
1 point off the pace when we should be about 4 points clear with the fixtures we`ve had so far, Ole has no tactical ability he sends players out with no clear instructions from what we are seeing, the Villa game was clear evidence that he cant organise.
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Post by keanosdog16 on Sept 27, 2021 9:56:29 GMT
Checking out other forums this morning and the Ole apologists are becoming fewer and fewer it seems with pretty much everyone now recognising that there is no style of play, no cohesion, no game plan, no plan B etc. etc. How those few on here who are still defending Ole cannot see that is beyond me!!
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Post by johnboy14 on Sept 27, 2021 11:33:39 GMT
I keep seeing this. Are we in May? Did I sleep through the last 8 months? It's September. Being a point off the pace is utterly irrelevant at this time of year. Brighton are 2 points off the pace, are they title challengers? The oft repeated "Playing shit and winning is a sign of a great team" is used when teams generally play brilliant, but every now and then they drop their level, as every side does, but when they do they still manage to grind a win out. It's not when the team plays shite every week. The football is awful. The tactics embarrassing. As others have pointed out, even clubs like Norwich, Brentford, Leeds, Brighton, etc have very clearly defined styles. You know how they will go about things, each player knows his and his team mates jobs. We look like a bunch of strangers just cobbled together from blokes in the car park and given a ball, being told "I dunno, just go and play football". It's been 3 years, how much longer do we wait? Sacking Lampard last September might have seemed premature for Chelsea but if they had of done so they might very well have won the league. They'd have finished about United that's for sure. Instead they waited until January, and had to settle for the Champions League. When we signed Varane, Sancho, and Ronaldo, people said Ole needed to win something this year or get out. Rightly so. It’s September (as you say) and we are a point off the pace. So why sack him now? Because we are out of the league cup? Or because we lost against Young Boys largely because of two colossal individual errors? I don’t think he can justifiably be sacked because we don’t like the performances thus far. I also don’t think it’s been 3 years of dire play. And I also think Ole has done more for the team than Lampard did for Chelsea, so the comparisons are not apt. We will be having this conversation again in December when we are still 4th but only 10 points behind the leaders and out of the running. Our chances of success are better if we do it now.
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Post by kstandhand on Sept 27, 2021 12:07:14 GMT
When we signed Varane, Sancho, and Ronaldo, people said Ole needed to win something this year or get out. Rightly so. It’s September (as you say) and we are a point off the pace. So why sack him now? Because we are out of the league cup? Or because we lost against Young Boys largely because of two colossal individual errors? I don’t think he can justifiably be sacked because we don’t like the performances thus far. I also don’t think it’s been 3 years of dire play. And I also think Ole has done more for the team than Lampard did for Chelsea, so the comparisons are not apt. We will be having this conversation again in December when we are still 4th but only 10 points behind the leaders and out of the running. Our chances of success are better if we do it now. Nearly 3 years,the money spent & squad we have..anyway that thinks it will get better is kidding themselves,he clearly is not up to the job & neither are the staff around him.
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Post by GeniusCantona on Sept 27, 2021 12:07:53 GMT
Even Luckhurst has the knives out this morning. The pressure is growing and inevitably Ole will fail. What’s amazing is that there are Ole apologists out there who want to talk about giving more time to let the team to gel. When you counter with Tuchel, they respond with a general statement that United supporters just moan and are impatient. £400 million spent in 3 years and I think the bare minimum is beating Southampton, Young Boys and Villa. It’s mind boggling what these “top reds” come up with to suit their agenda, whatever the fuck that is.
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Post by Bestie on Sept 27, 2021 12:13:41 GMT
It was written here yesterday. Either in the match thread or the OGS. Can't remember which one. That's not the point though, is it? It was obviously an exaggeration. Point still stands if we use the collection of posts discussing if Ole is the worst manager in the league or not on a day when Tuchel mastered 0 shots on target, Klopp conceded three against a newly-promoted side and Rodgers salvaged a point at home to Burnley. Look, we've been through this countless times and there's evidence that back arguments of both sides of this divide. Unfortunately, the snide comment that followed my earlier post is just another example of what this place has become where there's room for only one opinion.
What is the evidence in favour of not sacking him please? Still waiting.
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Post by redcase on Sept 27, 2021 12:15:32 GMT
What is the evidence in favour of not sacking him please? Still waiting. You will for a long while.
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Post by weebay on Sept 27, 2021 15:52:49 GMT
I think everyone agrees with this. It’s just that some differ over whether he should be sacked now because of it. To me, the situation with our CMs is to blame for the phenomenon that Neville is referencing. You need technically good CMs to address the issues he is getting at.Great point except that it is verifiably untrue. Solskjaer is also the one who picks the midfield and didn't sign a DM even if it was. I think I know what you mean by "verifiably untrue." It's a fair point. He deserves criticism for continuing to pick Fred and Scott. And if it was his choice not to sign a DM, he deserves criticism for that too.
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Post by weebay on Sept 27, 2021 15:55:48 GMT
Checking out other forums this morning and the Ole apologists are becoming fewer and fewer it seems with pretty much everyone now recognising that there is no style of play, no cohesion, no game plan, no plan B etc. etc. How those few on here who are still defending Ole cannot see that is beyond me!! I think everyone is in general agreement that these are serious issues that need to be fixed now.
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Post by Stew on Sept 27, 2021 16:02:13 GMT
Checking out other forums this morning and the Ole apologists are becoming fewer and fewer it seems with pretty much everyone now recognising that there is no style of play, no cohesion, no game plan, no plan B etc. etc. How those few on here who are still defending Ole cannot see that is beyond me!! I think everyone is in general agreement that these are serious issues that need to be fixed now. Now? These issues have been present for over 2 years. They’ve just become more obvious to outside fans because the calibre of player has gone up but the style of play has stayed the same. And I use style in a very loose sense of the word.
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Post by weebay on Sept 27, 2021 16:04:49 GMT
I think everyone is in general agreement that these are serious issues that need to be fixed now. Now? These issues have been present for over 2 years. They’ve just become more obvious to outside fans because the calibre of player has gone up but the style of play has stayed the same. And I use style in a very loose sense of the word. "Now" as in "immediately."
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Post by Stew on Sept 27, 2021 16:30:52 GMT
Now? These issues have been present for over 2 years. They’ve just become more obvious to outside fans because the calibre of player has gone up but the style of play has stayed the same. And I use style in a very loose sense of the word. "Now" as in "immediately." Ole was what, too busy up until now to fix it?
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Post by weebay on Sept 27, 2021 16:49:40 GMT
"Now" as in "immediately." Ole was what, too busy up until now to fix it? he is certainly very close to being out of time.
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Post by Diablo Rouge on Sept 27, 2021 17:44:42 GMT
Ole was what, too busy up until now to fix it? he is certainly very close to being out of time.  How Soon is Now?
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Post by Paul on Sept 27, 2021 17:54:42 GMT
Checking out other forums this morning and the Ole apologists are becoming fewer and fewer it seems with pretty much everyone now recognising that there is no style of play, no cohesion, no game plan, no plan B etc. etc. How those few on here who are still defending Ole cannot see that is beyond me!! I think everyone is in general agreement that these are serious issues that need to be fixed now.  To be fair this was the case well before Ole even came onto the scene. The issues have been there for much longer. Unfortunately we've got a club that is run by people that only care about their pockets and not the football club side. As much as I like Ole it's obvious why he was brought in, being an ex player he would appease the fans more. One good thing if/when Ole is replaced is at least the squad will be a far better condition for the next manager. Will be far less of a rebuild needed anyway. Add structure to this squad and its a title challenging one.
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