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Post by viking22 on Oct 8, 2024 10:51:44 GMT
I really don't think anything will happen this month.
INEOS said they'd give Erik a whole season working under the new structure. So I think mid-season is when they would probably re-assess and pull the trigger. It is very clear from the way they operate that they do not rush into decisions.
Ole lost his job end of November and Jose lost his job mid December. So I would expect Erik to lose his job around a similar time assuming there is no convincing turnaround.
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Post by Paul on Oct 8, 2024 10:55:52 GMT
I think a few of these players have now repeatedly shown to be incapable of playing for United. We all know who they are, they've seen a few managers come and go and always seem to cling on like a pube on the toilet seat. Erik deserves blame, for sure, but he was also let down by many in the squad. Others stepped up, as they often did, for the manager (e.g. McTominay). So too, I don't "blame" Ten Hag for not succeeding at United. He tried - many have - and although he won two trophies, he just couldn't get the club performing well enough consistently in the league. No shame in that. He's reached the end of the runway, I think he'd probably start to admit that now - great coach, but the club was too big and the fit just wasn't right. Can't argue with any of this. Tbh ill take no joy in seeing him sacked either. It's just another reminded of the endless disappointment we go through every few years now. It's not all on Ten Hag but it just hasn't worked out for him. Sad really as I was one that wanted him in at the start. But standards need to be set much higher than they are which atm is nowhere near good enough. |
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Post by Paul on Oct 8, 2024 10:58:12 GMT
I really don't think anything will happen this month. INEOS said they'd give Erik a whole season working under the new structure. So I think mid-season is when they would probably re-assess and pull the trigger. It is very clear from the way they operate that they do not rush into decisions. Ole lost his job end of November and Jose lost his job mid December. So I would expect Erik to lose his job around a similar time assuming there is no convincing turnaround. You either replace him now or you give him the whole season. Sacking him half way through is pointless. Will go w whoever takes over far too much of a job to sort things out and by then we'll probably be out of Europe and in the bottom half of the table. |
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Post by Jayrannasaurus on Oct 8, 2024 11:22:45 GMT
Under the previous regime, I would expect this to drag out until we're out of all the Cup competitions and mathematically out of the CL next season.
Because we have a new, proper footballing structure, intuitively I think it might move quicker than we are used to.
Ten Hag was on thin ice after last season, and I think the new folks were on the edge of sacking him but gave him some leeway because of the FA Cup win + goodwill.
That has disappeared, and we're essentially on the same tangent as last season with further additions to the squad.
Also a bit whatever on the replacement, would appoint Ruud for the vibes, but if they go for Tuchel then cool.
For the first time, I trust there are people who know their football behind the scenes at the club. A relief!
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Post by mightyez on Oct 8, 2024 11:37:38 GMT
We have had some players leave us and do well elsewhere in recent years, normally you leave and it's downhill.
Early days but MCT looking great, Fred doing well too.
Appreciate inferior leagues but I think the big thing is having a manager that sets you up to your strengths
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Post by unitedsotex on Oct 8, 2024 12:32:08 GMT
I really don't think anything will happen this month. INEOS said they'd give Erik a whole season working under the new structure. So I think mid-season is when they would probably re-assess and pull the trigger. It is very clear from the way they operate that they do not rush into decisions. Ole lost his job end of November and Jose lost his job mid December. So I would expect Erik to lose his job around a similar time assuming there is no convincing turnaround. While they said that, things change, and they want results or at least see an upswing.... there hasn't been one. If we would have beaten City in the Supporters Shield match, then I think it buys him until Jan. We are trending toward relegation, while I don't think that will happen, we will be out of every trophy contention by November. |
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Post by viking22 on Oct 8, 2024 12:54:44 GMT
I think it helps him massively that it's early in the season. INEOS I think were expecting a slow start as we signed quite a few new players and Shaw and Hojlund both got injured leaving us with wholly inadequate cover.
We are probably at the stage where INEOS are telling Erik they need to see a clear improvement in form over the next 5-10 games. That probably takes us to about mid-to-late November which is a logical time to pull the trigger as there is still enough time to salvage the season. Of course if our form goes from bad to worse that forces INEOS's hand. But Erik seems to have a knack of getting the occasional win and avoiding the death spiral.
I think the season is a write off anyway. If there was a standout manager who could step in and turn things around it would be worth making the change right now. But if the alternative to Erik is appointing Ruud as interim then I can see why INEOS aren't in a rush. Ruud may well do a better job by going back to basics and bringing some good vibes but I don't think he is finishing top 4 with this squad or winning us any trophies.
The main advantage of appointing Ruud is it will allow us to assess the players under a different manager which will make it easier in the summer to decide who we should try to get rid of.
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Post by juanveron on Oct 8, 2024 17:00:29 GMT
I miss challenging for the title. Winning it is amazing, but the race itself is what I miss..
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Post by alwaysUnited on Oct 8, 2024 18:28:26 GMT
Fact is except Dalot , Rashford and Bruno all of them are basically his signings or his picks from the academy.
As they say its a result business and he got most of his transfers wrong which is going to cost his job.
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Post by alt on Oct 9, 2024 7:50:21 GMT
I cling on to the chance that as there has been no briefing that he is staying, there is still hope that he’s been fucked off.
Nothing else is acceptable.
If he ends up staying, the optimism I’ve had with INEOS from the summer window and internal appointments is very quickly dwindling.
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Post by viking22 on Oct 9, 2024 8:38:09 GMT
INEOS aren't the type to give public votes of confidence. And a number of media sources have confirmed that there wasn't any kind of "summit" to determine his fate and the two game deadline was also probably a media invention. No doubt our poor start to the season did dominate conversations during the meeting and I am sure the possibility of replacing Erik was discussed. But they are wanting to keep their options open for now and that means they won't give him any public backing.
Erik is clearly a placeholder to them. Until they can identify a standout candidate to replace him (either now or in the summer) they'll keep him on. Unless of course he loses the dressing room completely or results continue to show no signs of improving.
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Post by Stew on Oct 9, 2024 12:32:52 GMT
He’s staying.
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Post by unitedsotex on Oct 9, 2024 12:59:01 GMT
Well at least we will be playing to our level in the Championship next year... |
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Post by redcase on Oct 9, 2024 13:23:25 GMT
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Post by bushy1987 on Oct 9, 2024 13:40:13 GMT
So it's seems ineos standards are the same as the rats then. |
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