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Post by Bestie on Jun 4, 2023 17:10:21 GMT
No you can't. Personally I think ten Hag has probably overachieved with the players we have, for which he deserves lots of credit. Those players are here partly down to him though, and his overachievement is still not good enough for what we should be expecting. I don't believe that it must be a case of one or the other - either ten Hag had been excellent or crap. He has been a bit of both with more positives than negatives. Most of my ill-feeling is towards these players and from that comes the frustration with the manager for allowing them to get away with it. Not sure how he is allowing them to get away it. I think that was made abundantly clear when they had to go a run early in the season. The sad reality is we don’t have the squad to really drop anyone. You can’t drop rashford because no one else is scoring. Sancho hmmm yeah that one is baffling or maybe he just wants to have leverage to say ‘I have tried giving this guy many chances, he is a dud, get rid’. Bruno? Let’s face it he is the most creative player we have. I get there is frustration but maturity means you don’t cut your nose to spite yourself. Let’s see what happens this summer, over to you Mr Murtough That big run after Brentford hasn't been backed up. After Liverpool, nothing, after the city 6-3, nothing, after Sevilla nothing. This was yesterday: " I am proud of my team, we did very well.
We found ourselves in the game with a great spirit and organisation. In the end we could have even score the equaliser.
When you play against City and concede very little from open play it is a big compliment for the team." Proud? Of restricting city to few open play chances one of which they scored from and set pieces, one of which they fucking scored from? Get to fuck. |
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Post by DedRevil on Jun 4, 2023 17:21:35 GMT
Not sure how he is allowing them to get away it. I think that was made abundantly clear when they had to go a run early in the season. The sad reality is we don’t have the squad to really drop anyone. You can’t drop rashford because no one else is scoring. Sancho hmmm yeah that one is baffling or maybe he just wants to have leverage to say ‘I have tried giving this guy many chances, he is a dud, get rid’. Bruno? Let’s face it he is the most creative player we have. I get there is frustration but maturity means you don’t cut your nose to spite yourself. Let’s see what happens this summer, over to you Mr Murtough That big run after Brentford hasn't been backed up. After Liverpool, nothing, after the city 6-3, nothing, after Sevilla nothing. This was yesterday: " I am proud of my team, we did very well.
We found ourselves in the game with a great spirit and organisation. In the end we could have even score the equaliser.
When you play against City and concede very little from open play it is a big compliment for the team." Proud? Of restricting city to few open play chances one of which they scored from and set pieces, one of which they fucking scored from? Get to fuck. I get what you're saying, and I know it's a long was away, but revisit this in a year rather than being negative and I'm positive we'll be in a much better place, if not...you called it early |
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Post by mightyez on Jun 4, 2023 17:29:29 GMT
Not sure how he is allowing them to get away it. I think that was made abundantly clear when they had to go a run early in the season. The sad reality is we don’t have the squad to really drop anyone. You can’t drop rashford because no one else is scoring. Sancho hmmm yeah that one is baffling or maybe he just wants to have leverage to say ‘I have tried giving this guy many chances, he is a dud, get rid’. Bruno? Let’s face it he is the most creative player we have. I get there is frustration but maturity means you don’t cut your nose to spite yourself. Let’s see what happens this summer, over to you Mr Murtough That big run after Brentford hasn't been backed up. After Liverpool, nothing, after the city 6-3, nothing, after Sevilla nothing. This was yesterday: " I am proud of my team, we did very well.
We found ourselves in the game with a great spirit and organisation. In the end we could have even score the equaliser.
When you play against City and concede very little from open play it is a big compliment for the team." Proud? Of restricting city to few open play chances one of which they scored from and set pieces, one of which they fucking scored from? Get to fuck. This is why he is a professional manager and we aren’t. Can’t say how you feel publicly all the time. It’s been a long season and hopefully he ain’t seeing some of them again in the dressing room. |
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Post by oscared on Jun 4, 2023 17:35:35 GMT
Rashford, 'Born and Red', 'showing up' in the most important Derby we have ever played ... Perfect microcosm. This is exactly what I’m talking about, fucking pathetic. |
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Post by Bestie on Jun 4, 2023 17:41:47 GMT
That big run after Brentford hasn't been backed up. After Liverpool, nothing, after the city 6-3, nothing, after Sevilla nothing. This was yesterday: " I am proud of my team, we did very well.
We found ourselves in the game with a great spirit and organisation. In the end we could have even score the equaliser.
When you play against City and concede very little from open play it is a big compliment for the team." Proud? Of restricting city to few open play chances one of which they scored from and set pieces, one of which they fucking scored from? Get to fuck. I get what you're saying, and I know it's a long was away, but revisit this in a year rather than being negative and I'm positive we'll be in a much better place, if not...you called it early I'm not sure I get your point - do you mean those comments will be positive next season because the players will respond well? That could happen, but I don't think even the very best of some of these players is good enough either way. |
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Post by DedRevil on Jun 4, 2023 17:44:55 GMT
I get what you're saying, and I know it's a long was away, but revisit this in a year rather than being negative and I'm positive we'll be in a much better place, if not...you called it early I'm not sure I get your point - do you mean those comments will be positive next season because the players will respond well? That could happen, but I don't think even the very best of some of these players is good enough either way. Nah, I mean I understand all of your points, and right now it feels shit. But I trust the manager and the way he's going, and depending on the owner situation, it could be very good. If the same issues are there in 3/6/12 months time, I hope you won't be happy you were right, but you were . |
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Post by Bestie on Jun 4, 2023 17:46:57 GMT
That big run after Brentford hasn't been backed up. After Liverpool, nothing, after the city 6-3, nothing, after Sevilla nothing. This was yesterday: " I am proud of my team, we did very well.
We found ourselves in the game with a great spirit and organisation. In the end we could have even score the equaliser.
When you play against City and concede very little from open play it is a big compliment for the team." Proud? Of restricting city to few open play chances one of which they scored from and set pieces, one of which they fucking scored from? Get to fuck. This is why he is a professional manager and we aren’t. Can’t say how you feel publicly all the time. It’s been a long season and hopefully he ain’t seeing some of them again in the dressing room. When Ole Solskjaer came out after the Everton fiasco and said 'some of these players won't be here when I'm successful' we all cheered. As ever, it feels like, I am not expecting him to outright state certain players are shit. I want him to not tell blatant lies. If that's how he really feels we have bigger problems. |
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Post by DedRevil on Jun 4, 2023 17:47:24 GMT
But yeah...we need a fucking big influx of quality into the squad, starting 11 I think we're 2 or 3 away from challenging, squad wise we're about 9 away.
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Post by Bestie on Jun 4, 2023 17:49:17 GMT
I'm not sure I get your point - do you mean those comments will be positive next season because the players will respond well? That could happen, but I don't think even the very best of some of these players is good enough either way. Nah, I mean I understand all of your points, and right now it feels shit. But I trust the manager and the way he's going, and depending on the owner situation, it could be very good. If the same issues are there in 3/6/12 months time, I hope you won't be happy you were right, but you were . Right about what? (This is the bit I don't understand.) I'm annoyed that he doesn't hold players accountable now. Do you mean ten Hag might be more ruthless going forward? Honest effort to understand what you mean bud. |
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Post by DedRevil on Jun 4, 2023 17:51:42 GMT
This is why he is a professional manager and we aren’t. Can’t say how you feel publicly all the time. It’s been a long season and hopefully he ain’t seeing some of them again in the dressing room. When Ole Solskjaer came out after the Everton fiasco and said 'some of these players won't be here when I'm successful' we all cheered. As ever, it feels like, I am not expecting him to outright state certain players are shit. I want him to not tell blatant lies. If that's how he really feels we have bigger problems. We loved it, but Ole still lied, he didn't back it up. Probably a bigger lie, to get the fans onside. Erik is playing the game, that's all he can do until we get new owners, or Jim fucks us over |
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Post by DedRevil on Jun 4, 2023 17:53:28 GMT
Nah, I mean I understand all of your points, and right now it feels shit. But I trust the manager and the way he's going, and depending on the owner situation, it could be very good. If the same issues are there in 3/6/12 months time, I hope you won't be happy you were right, but you were . Right about what? (This is the bit I don't understand.) I'm annoyed that he doesn't hold players accountable now. Do you mean ten Hag might be more ruthless going forward? Honest effort to understand what you mean bud. If it goes to shit when he's had proper backing and doesn't hold players to account, then he's shit |
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Post by Bestie on Jun 4, 2023 18:02:09 GMT
Right about what? (This is the bit I don't understand.) I'm annoyed that he doesn't hold players accountable now. Do you mean ten Hag might be more ruthless going forward? Honest effort to understand what you mean bud. If it goes to shit when he's had proper backing and doesn't hold players to account, then he's shit Ahhh. For clarity I don't think he's shit. Just might not be good enough. Jury is still out. I'm at a point where basically nobody gets benefit of the doubt. The only thing I go on is actual results. |
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Post by Paul on Jun 4, 2023 18:06:20 GMT
When Ole Solskjaer came out after the Everton fiasco and said 'some of these players won't be here when I'm successful' we all cheered. As ever, it feels like, I am not expecting him to outright state certain players are shit. I want him to not tell blatant lies. If that's how he really feels we have bigger problems. We loved it, but Ole still lied, he didn't back it up. Probably a bigger lie, to get the fans onside. Erik is playing the game, that's all he can do until we get new owners, or Jim fucks us over Ole also said we don't need to win trophies to prove we are progressing so he made a rod for his own back. Ten Hag has already said and done the opposite in his first season. Ole said things, was given time and didn't back it up. Ten Hag hasn't had that chance yet. He's had the luxury of one window and has worked wonders with that to get us in the postion we're in currently. There's a difference between lying to people and saying things in public to be diplomatic. As has been said on here a million times before, none of us know what's said behind closed doors. |
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Post by DedRevil on Jun 4, 2023 18:07:26 GMT
If it goes to shit when he's had proper backing and doesn't hold players to account, then he's shit Ahhh. For clarity I don't think he's shit. Just might not be good enough. Jury is still out. I'm at a point where basically nobody gets benefit of the doubt. The only thing I go on is actual results. oh yeah,it's not been amazing or anything and he's still got a lot to prove...just a lot better than most of us expected given last season, though still not up to the standards we all expect... Big improvement needed all around next season, and that only starts with fucking off the Glazers, though I do think we'll spend big regardless this summer, it's only a bandage over a compound fracture. |
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Post by Bestie on Jun 4, 2023 18:14:42 GMT
When Ole Solskjaer came out after the Everton fiasco and said 'some of these players won't be here when I'm successful' we all cheered. As ever, it feels like, I am not expecting him to outright state certain players are shit. I want him to not tell blatant lies. If that's how he really feels we have bigger problems. We loved it, but Ole still lied, he didn't back it up. Probably a bigger lie, to get the fans onside. Erik is playing the game, that's all he can do until we get new owners, or Jim fucks us over This is where the main disagreement is - I think. The manager can and should be doing more. The likes of Maguire should not be playing at all. The captaincy issue has been farcical. Weghorst continuing to get minutes - Sancho playing instead of Pellistri. Lots of little things I think he could be dealing with better. |
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