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Post by viking22 on Sept 18, 2023 14:29:21 GMT
Erik complains a lot about injuries and fixture congestion etc but unfortunately it is part and parcel with being a big English club. And outside of Manchester City who really has 2 quality players in every position?
I also get the impression he is overtraining players. Probably because the pre-season was a total waste of time as usual and he is in a hurry to implement his ideas after being forced to be pragmatic last season. But we are soft bellied and if bad results continue things could really spiral.
He would have been more sensible to try to keep some continuity from last season and slowly integrate new signings and when everyone is fully fit and settled into the season then would be a good time to improve our style of play.
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Post by kstandhand on Sept 18, 2023 15:31:46 GMT
Erik complains a lot about injuries and fixture congestion etc but unfortunately it is part and parcel with being a big English club. And outside of Manchester City who really has 2 quality players in every position? I also get the impression he is overtraining players. Probably because the pre-season was a total waste of time as usual and he is in a hurry to implement his ideas after being forced to be pragmatic last season. But we are soft bellied and if bad results continue things could really spiral. He would have been more sensible to try to keep some continuity from last season and slowly integrate new signings and when everyone is fully fit and settled into the season then would be a good time to improve our style of play. Agree with some of the points you make here but clearly the problems run far deeper with some of players,Saturday's performance pretty much to a man,showed they they jacked it in with only a couple of exceptions. If he can pull this back from here,he is a better man anyone of us have given him credit for so far. |
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Post by alwaysUnited on Sept 18, 2023 16:36:54 GMT
I dont blame the Onana signing , the idea was right ,its not working out because our first choice CB is almost always injured and our midfield is porous with the legs just not there. Amrabet who came in fix the issue is also injured.
When Pep came to city first thing he did was to get rid of Joe hart if i remember correctly , then he bought in another guy from Barca who also flopped , out he went and in came Ederson.
I also think we should have kept Rangnick for organising the recruitment side of things which was always his primary skill and how he made his name. Instead we gave him a coaching stint and let him go (maybe because he was saying some unpleasant things about the state of the club)
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Post by DedRevil on Sept 18, 2023 17:04:02 GMT
I dont blame the Onana signing , the idea was right ,its not working out because our first choice CB is almost always injured and our midfield is porous with the legs just not there. Amrabet who came in fix the issue is also injured. When Pep came to city first thing he did was to get rid of Joe hart if i remember correctly , then he bought in another guy from Barca who also flopped , out he went and in came Ederson. I also think we should have kept Rangnick for organising the recruitment side of things which was always his primary skill and how he made his name. Instead we gave him a coaching stint and let him go (maybe because he was saying some unpleasant things about the state of the club) Ralf wouldn't have stayed in that role, they'd already ignored all of his excellent recommendations when he was actual manager... as per, our board know nothing about football and thought because he was a shit manager, he couldn't identify a player, like he'd done most of his career. |
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Post by Jayrannasaurus on Sept 18, 2023 17:20:35 GMT
I dont blame the Onana signing , the idea was right ,its not working out because our first choice CB is almost always injured and our midfield is porous with the legs just not there. Amrabet who came in fix the issue is also injured. When Pep came to city first thing he did was to get rid of Joe hart if i remember correctly , then he bought in another guy from Barca who also flopped , out he went and in came Ederson. I also think we should have kept Rangnick for organising the recruitment side of things which was always his primary skill and how he made his name. Instead we gave him a coaching stint and let him go (maybe because he was saying some unpleasant things about the state of the club) Ralf wouldn't have stayed in that role, they'd already ignored all of his excellent recommendations when he was actual manager... as per, our board know nothing about football and thought because he was a shit manager, he couldn't identify a player, like he'd done most of his career. Could have changed the trajectory of the club for a decade if we'd been able to keep Ralf as DoF + pair him with ETH. |
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Post by bushy1987 on Sept 18, 2023 17:39:45 GMT
We can blame ETH for certain things as much as we want, let's not forget we won our first trophy under him for a few years, not even pep could come in to this mess and work magic, he went to city and in his first season spent about 250m on defenders alone, in today's market that's probably about 400m worth, we simply don't have the money to go out and buy elite level players anymore.
he's brought in 3 or 4 this summer with the budget we had whilst we shifted a few quid in player sales, this is the same club that only this summer actually released Phil Jones, we still have lindelof, Scotty and martial playing major roles, these players wasn't good enough 5 years ago never mind today. The club is an absolute mess.
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Post by Kojak on Sept 18, 2023 18:55:42 GMT
I think the idea of Onana is right in that the manager wants a keeper who can play with his feet, so that’s what he went out and bought. That’s fine, we’re supposed to be facilitating his philosophy and you don’t put a manager on a contract and then not follow that.
Unfortunately Onana looks dreadful at everything else and a fair percentage of the players he’s passing to are either fucking shit or can’t play that way. Or both.
With De Gea, he’s without a club out of choice clearly. He could obviously find a team. He either wants more money than he’s been offered or is genuinely enjoying an extended break after a decade of hell.
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Post by Karma on Sept 18, 2023 21:06:37 GMT
I dont blame the Onana signing , the idea was right ,its not working out because our first choice CB is almost always injured and our midfield is porous with the legs just not there. Amrabet who came in fix the issue is also injured. When Pep came to city first thing he did was to get rid of Joe hart if i remember correctly , then he bought in another guy from Barca who also flopped , out he went and in came Ederson. I also think we should have kept Rangnick for organising the recruitment side of things which was always his primary skill and how he made his name. Instead we gave him a coaching stint and let him go (maybe because he was saying some unpleasant things about the state of the club) Ralf wouldn't have stayed in that role, they'd already ignored all of his excellent recommendations when he was actual manager... as per, our board know nothing about football and thought because he was a shit manager, he couldn't identify a player, like he'd done most of his career. They would have given him a new contract had he got top 4. I remember rumours of a new contract before it turned to shit. That’s all they care about at the end of the day. |
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Post by Jayrannasaurus on Sept 19, 2023 6:15:39 GMT
With De Gea, he’s without a club out of choice clearly. He could obviously find a team. I personally don't think it's as obvious as this, everyone knew his contract was running out so if a big club really wanted him they would have snapped him up by now. |
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Post by Kojak on Sept 19, 2023 6:20:59 GMT
With De Gea, he’s without a club out of choice clearly. He could obviously find a team. I personally don't think it's as obvious as this, everyone knew his contract was running out so if a big club really wanted him they would have snapped him up by now. Oh aye, maybe not a massive team. But he could get a decent club if he wanted to. |
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Post by seanie on Sept 19, 2023 9:03:20 GMT
I dont blame the Onana signing , the idea was right ,its not working out because our first choice CB is almost always injured and our midfield is porous with the legs just not there. Amrabet who came in fix the issue is also injured. When Pep came to city first thing he did was to get rid of Joe hart if i remember correctly , then he bought in another guy from Barca who also flopped , out he went and in came Ederson. I also think we should have kept Rangnick for organising the recruitment side of things which was always his primary skill and how he made his name. Instead we gave him a coaching stint and let him go (maybe because he was saying some unpleasant things about the state of the club) Ralf wouldn't have stayed in that role, they'd already ignored all of his excellent recommendations when he was actual manager... as per, our board know nothing about football and thought because he was a shit manager, he couldn't identify a player, like he'd done most of his career. Why do people go on about this guy like he was some genius! He was a joke and it doesn't take 1/2 years like he deemed. Just that is a flashing warning sign that he was a bullshit artist. Fuck that weirdo |
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Post by redcase on Sept 19, 2023 9:23:19 GMT
Ralf wouldn't have stayed in that role, they'd already ignored all of his excellent recommendations when he was actual manager... as per, our board know nothing about football and thought because he was a shit manager, he couldn't identify a player, like he'd done most of his career. Why do people go on about this guy like he was some genius! He was a joke and it doesn't take 1/2 years like he deemed. Just that is a flashing warning sign that he was a bullshit artist. Fuck that weirdo Tell us you're absolutely clueless without telling us that you're absolutely clueless.... |
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Post by safariRed on Sept 19, 2023 10:16:20 GMT
Say what you like about Dave and his fuck ups ,He still got us through games we didn't deserve anything from. I Don't see Onana doing anything like that for us as consistently EVER, but he's good with his feet though.... I truly wish it wasn't but it's the biggest mistake we made this summer.... ETH deserves whatever happens for his role in that. I'm far from writing him off but I'm also far from impressed with him either. Haven't written him off either , I just think there was more Value to having both of them competing for the spot. Also the AFCON is coming up, Onana will be gone during a crucial period. Our defence(even at their best)gives up at least 3 or 4 clear cut chances per game and Dave could save at least 2 of those. Who's that backup keeper again? Will he be capable of making up for the mistakes that the defence makes? Onana is struggling with that already. Only time will tell but I do feel we were stronger with DDG and for now at least I can't say we've improved the quality in that position. |
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Post by unitedsotex on Sept 19, 2023 12:25:19 GMT
I think any keeper gets exposed with this defense we have right now....all 3 goals Saturday were uncontested wide open looks at a 7m goal inside 3m that he is suppose to save. 1 I would say he should have saved but in the same breath I would also say the defense should wake the fuck up and DEFEND instead letting guys into the box to take shooting practice against him.
From what I've read, ETH went nuclear in practice yesterday about how lazy everyone was on the pitch. If these players have given up on him then Ole before then this is a player issue not a manager issue....that shit needs to be addressed. It won't come from the Owner's because they are spinless.
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Post by oscared on Sept 19, 2023 12:29:43 GMT
There’s definitely a can’t be arsed attitude in this team that needs eradicating but it all comes back to the board and owners time and again, they need to go first.
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