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Post by unitedsotex on Apr 9, 2024 19:04:45 GMT
Talk of Liverpool having a verbal agreement with Amorim. If so we might have a good chance of landing Nagelsmann this summer. That would be an interesting prospect. He did great things with Hoffenheim and Leipzig. And that is what we aren't seeing with Erik-the ability to get a team of mostly limited players to gel and punch above their weight. We haven't moved on from the Ole days when we are too reliant on a few individuals showing up and papering over cracks. And he also has the big club experience with Bayern and won a few trophies with them and got some experience dealing with big name players. And he is a bit more pragmatic and tactically flexible than Erik. I do have some sympathy for Erik and as my earlier post argued there are mitigating factors. But we've gone backwards this season and his tactics and substitutions are bewildering and he has gone full delusional in his press conferences and doesn't seem to have a credible plan to turn things around and just keeps making excuses about injuries. So there might be something to be said for cutting our losses and giving Nagelsmann a go assuming he is willing to join us. Nagelsmann would be my choice but I wanted ETH so what do I know? Nagelsmann would be a equal to or upgrade from ETH. He was successful at Bayern, i think the politics above him got him fired not his performance other than not winning the CL. |
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Post by caino on Apr 15, 2024 7:38:43 GMT
If I was to pick a new manager right now - id choose Emery
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Post by redcase on Apr 15, 2024 7:54:27 GMT
If I was to pick a new manager right now - id choose Emery You wouldn’t pick the guy who is unbeaten and just won the Bundesliga playing attacking, dominant football? Ok. |
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Post by caino on Apr 15, 2024 7:59:39 GMT
If I was to pick a new manager right now - id choose Emery You wouldn’t pick the guy who is unbeaten and just won the Bundesliga playing attacking, dominant football? Ok. Not sure how many times it needs to be said - he has said he isn’t moving this year |
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Post by redcase on Apr 15, 2024 8:27:11 GMT
You wouldn’t pick the guy who is unbeaten and just won the Bundesliga playing attacking, dominant football? Ok. Not sure how many times it needs to be said - he has said he isn’t moving this year You said if you were to pick, hence my question. I assumed it was a hypothetical choice based on performance rather than real world parameters. Even then though, I doubt Emery is any more available than Alonso 🤷♂️ |
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Post by Stew on Apr 15, 2024 8:40:06 GMT
Not sure how many times it needs to be said - he has said he isn’t moving this year You said if you were to pick, hence my question. I assumed it was a hypothetical choice based on performance rather than real world parameters. Even then though, I doubt Emery is any more available than Alonso 🤷♂️ If we’re ignoring real world parameters why not just pick Fergie? |
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Post by caino on Apr 15, 2024 8:52:06 GMT
Not sure how many times it needs to be said - he has said he isn’t moving this year You said if you were to pick, hence my question. I assumed it was a hypothetical choice based on performance rather than real world parameters. Even then though, I doubt Emery is any more available than Alonso 🤷♂️ How have you come to that conclusion ? Alonso lined up for Madrid after Ancelotti & won the league. Doesn’t compare to Emery effectively managing a mid table club just albeit very well. I’m sure if a good offer came in it would be accepted. I’d rather Emery than Potter, Southgate, ONeil, etc |
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Post by redcase on Apr 15, 2024 9:12:43 GMT
You said if you were to pick, hence my question. I assumed it was a hypothetical choice based on performance rather than real world parameters. Even then though, I doubt Emery is any more available than Alonso 🤷♂️ If we’re ignoring real world parameters why not just pick Fergie? How has his performance been over the past 10 years? Quite a big hiatus from management, no? |
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Post by redcase on Apr 15, 2024 9:17:54 GMT
You said if you were to pick, hence my question. I assumed it was a hypothetical choice based on performance rather than real world parameters. Even then though, I doubt Emery is any more available than Alonso 🤷♂️ How have you come to that conclusion ? Alonso lined up for Madrid after Ancelotti & won the league. Doesn’t compare to Emery effectively managing a mid table club just albeit very well. I’m sure if a good offer came in it would be accepted. I’d rather Emery than Potter, Southgate, ONeil, etc He’s just won the league with a mid table side, in a one horse league. I think that’s pretty much the best example of effectively managing a mid table club. Agreed, pretty much nobody would want any of those English managers that’s for sure. And aren’t Villa owned by a hedge fund now? I doubt they’d make things easy for anybody trying to pry him away next season. |
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Post by Stew on Apr 15, 2024 12:55:52 GMT
If we’re ignoring real world parameters why not just pick Fergie? How has his performance been over the past 10 years? Quite a big hiatus from management, no? Pick Pep then. |
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Post by caino on Apr 15, 2024 12:59:09 GMT
How have you come to that conclusion ? Alonso lined up for Madrid after Ancelotti & won the league. Doesn’t compare to Emery effectively managing a mid table club just albeit very well. I’m sure if a good offer came in it would be accepted. I’d rather Emery than Potter, Southgate, ONeil, etc He’s just won the league with a mid table side, in a one horse league. I think that’s pretty much the best example of effectively managing a mid table club. Agreed, pretty much nobody would want any of those English managers that’s for sure. And aren’t Villa owned by a hedge fund now? I doubt they’d make things easy for anybody trying to pry him away next season. If Alonso was available he’d be top pick but he’s unattainable. Emery would cost, but that a realistic target. With my lack of interest in football at the moment I wouldn’t have a clue who else, other than Emery could suit. All the other mentioned targets would be worse than now |
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Post by redcase on Apr 15, 2024 13:28:14 GMT
How has his performance been over the past 10 years? Quite a big hiatus from management, no? Pick Pep then. We’ve got one bald fraud already, why would I want another? 😜 Besides, Alonso is pound for pound the best manager in the world, imo. In 2 years he took them from the relegation zone to champions. It didn’t even take intense investment to achieve. Just some really good signings to fit his vision. |
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Post by viking22 on Apr 15, 2024 14:23:15 GMT
Alonso and Nagelsmann would both be excellent choices because they've achieved great things with clubs like Leverkusen, Hoffenheim and Leipzig which aren't big clubs and therefore don't have two good players in every position.
Erik with the benefit of hindsight wasn't a great choice because he was used to having the best team in the league with Ajax. And even in his Ajax days Ruud Gullit noted that Erik's tactics made them vulnerable in transition. You can get away with it when you have the best team in the league and players of the quality of Frenkie and Casemiro (last season form). But this season the limitations of his tactics have been badly exposed and he hasn't wised up to the fact and made changes.
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Post by unitedsotex on Apr 15, 2024 17:32:49 GMT
Alonso and Nagelsmann would both be excellent choices because they've achieved great things with clubs like Leverkusen, Hoffenheim and Leipzig which aren't big clubs and therefore don't have two good players in every position. Erik with the benefit of hindsight wasn't a great choice because he was used to having the best team in the league with Ajax. And even in his Ajax days Ruud Gullit noted that Erik's tactics made them vulnerable in transition. You can get away with it when you have the best team in the league and players of the quality of Frenkie and Casemiro (last season form). But this season the limitations of his tactics have been badly exposed and he hasn't wised up to the fact and made changes. The drop off of Casemiro has been massively concerning but we don't have anyone to take his place that will stay back there to cover. Cas of last year and this year Mainoo would have been exactly the thing our midfield needed but no one saw either's explosion and implosion as fast as both have happened |
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Post by DedRevil on Apr 15, 2024 18:04:35 GMT
Worse record than Moyes at this stage of the season.
Mitigating that Moyes took over the actual previous champions, but that's still pretty damning
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