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Post by redcase on Apr 7, 2024 12:22:47 GMT
Cool. x.com/SkySportsNews/status/1776914241263403188Edit: for some reason I can't embed tweets? So just posted the link above. Details: "I don't know and I don't care... we know what our identity is" 🔊 Erik Ten Hag on why people question Manchester United's style of play in games 🧐 |
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Post by caino on Apr 7, 2024 13:04:26 GMT
hes got to make subs though. they were keeping the ball quite well and in the 90th+ minute they had some nice sequences of passing / moving. it was individual basic errors that cost us the 3 points not the manager. im not all for ETH by all means but these players kill every manager they have and until the players are replaced we wont get anywhere He has spent 400 million pounds and signed 16 players (including loans and youth prospects ) over 2 seasons but we look worse than the day he took over. www.theguardian.com/football/2023/nov/02/erik-ten-hag-manchester-united-signings-how-they-ratethats because the board are awful at transfers. requested FDJ - got Casemiro. totally different player, age and profile. couldnt afford anyone else got Erikson on a free. Onana wouldnt have been first choice but the best available at that price. Maignan and Costa were both ahead (supposedly but cost too much) Malacia - good singing but had a shocker with injuries / personal issues Martinez - good singing but had a shocker with injuries / personal issues Antony is a terrible signing and thats on him. you only have to look at the loans and free signings to show what a disaster the transfer market has been for him. thats not his doing though thats the board. Fergie, Pep, Klopp, any manager in the world couldn't succeed with that board as proven in the past |
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Post by Stretty on Apr 7, 2024 13:10:08 GMT
thats because the board are awful at transfers. requested FDJ - got Casemiro. totally different player, age and profile. couldnt afford anyone else got Erikson on a free. Onana wouldnt have been first choice but the best available at that price. Maignan and Costa were both ahead (supposedly but cost too much) Malacia - good singing but had a shocker with injuries / personal issues Martinez - good singing but had a shocker with injuries / personal issues Antony is a terrible signing and thats on him. you only have to look at the loans and free signings to show what a disaster the transfer market has been for him. thats not his doing though thats the board. Fergie, Pep, Klopp, any manager in the world couldn't succeed with that board as proven in the past im no fan of our pre SJR board but FDJ made it clear he wanted to stay at Barca. The last thing we needed was another Di Maria(even though we should never have signed Casemiro on a 5 year deal). |
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Post by caino on Apr 7, 2024 15:09:37 GMT
thats because the board are awful at transfers. requested FDJ - got Casemiro. totally different player, age and profile. couldnt afford anyone else got Erikson on a free. Onana wouldnt have been first choice but the best available at that price. Maignan and Costa were both ahead (supposedly but cost too much) Malacia - good singing but had a shocker with injuries / personal issues Martinez - good singing but had a shocker with injuries / personal issues Antony is a terrible signing and thats on him. you only have to look at the loans and free signings to show what a disaster the transfer market has been for him. thats not his doing though thats the board. Fergie, Pep, Klopp, any manager in the world couldn't succeed with that board as proven in the past im no fan of our pre SJR board but FDJ made it clear he wanted to stay at Barca. The last thing we needed was another Di Maria(even though we should never have signed Casemiro on a 5 year deal). yeh get they couldnt get him, but sign a player thats suited instead of spunking so much money on a player that cant run |
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Post by Stretty on Apr 7, 2024 16:50:46 GMT
Even after avoiding our predicted 2 hammerings by the scouse(win 1 draw 1) this is still not good enough.
His in game management in the 2 games alone made us worse.
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Post by Karma on Apr 7, 2024 18:38:16 GMT
Even after avoiding our predicted 2 hammerings by the scouse(win 1 draw 1) this is still not good enough. His in game management in the 2 games alone made us worse. Waits too long to make subs and then more than likely the wrong ones when he does. |
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Post by Stretty on Apr 7, 2024 19:05:04 GMT
Even after avoiding our predicted 2 hammerings by the scouse(win 1 draw 1) this is still not good enough. His in game management in the 2 games alone made us worse. Waits too long to make subs and then more than likely the wrong ones when he does. 100% Just to clear up I meant to post the last 2 games not the 2 scouse games(doesn’t alter the correct point in you reply at all though) |
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Post by caino on Apr 8, 2024 6:33:42 GMT
still waiting on a convincing argument as to who can replace him though ?
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Post by ratbag on Apr 8, 2024 10:50:30 GMT
still waiting on a convincing argument as to who can replace him though ? Me too! |
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Post by viking22 on Apr 8, 2024 16:06:01 GMT
Let's face it. There isn't a decent replacement available this summer who'd be interested in joining us.
Erik has had a pretty awful 2nd season but there are some mitigating factors:
1) Midfield has been dysfunctional this season because Casemiro has become sluggish and sloppy, Eriksen doesn't have the legs, Amrabat has made zero impact, Mount has been injured, Scotty can score goals and do little else, and Mainoo cannot do it all. That has contributed to the lack of defensive cover and the poor build up play this season.
2) Defensive injuries have been insane with Martinez and Shaw badly missed. It has been firefighting all season and Martinez and Shaw are both important to our attacking play.
3) We've been short on quality upfront because Rashford has reverted to type, Greenwood had to be sent to Spain and Hojlund is very raw.
And when you have issues in all three areas of the pitch it isn't entirely surprising we've had a crap season.
And most of these issues stem from poor recruitment with injuries a secondary factor. As a result Erik has been left with an unbalanced squad and so not a total surprise that performances and results have also been unbalanced.
Poor recruitment and injury problems can both be addressed without needing to get rid of Erik. And when they are addressed and we have a more balanced squad then we should see improvements on the pitch.
Of course if next season is just as bad then we will need to sack him and hire the best replacement available (underwhelming as that person might be). But in the absence of a standout candidate I would focus on sorting out recruitment and injuries and seeing if that helps Erik perform better.
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Post by safariRed on Apr 9, 2024 9:40:00 GMT
Let's face it. There isn't a decent replacement available this summer who'd be interested in joining us. Erik has had a pretty awful 2nd season but there are some mitigating factors: 1) Midfield has been dysfunctional this season because Casemiro has become sluggish and sloppy, Eriksen doesn't have the legs, Amrabat has made zero impact, Mount has been injured, Scotty can score goals and do little else, and Mainoo cannot do it all. That has contributed to the lack of defensive cover and the poor build up play this season. 2) Defensive injuries have been insane with Martinez and Shaw badly missed. It has been firefighting all season and Martinez and Shaw are both important to our attacking play. 3) We've been short on quality upfront because Rashford has reverted to type, Greenwood had to be sent to Spain and Hojlund is very raw. And when you have issues in all three areas of the pitch it isn't entirely surprising we've had a crap season. And most of these issues stem from poor recruitment with injuries a secondary factor. As a result Erik has been left with an unbalanced squad and so not a total surprise that performances and results have also been unbalanced. Poor recruitment and injury problems can both be addressed without needing to get rid of Erik. And when they are addressed and we have a more balanced squad then we should see improvements on the pitch. Of course if next season is just as bad then we will need to sack him and hire the best replacement available (underwhelming as that person might be). But in the absence of a standout candidate I would focus on sorting out recruitment and injuries and seeing if that helps Erik perform better. I agree the key priority is to sort out matters off the pitch first, give ETH the best possible platform to work from and take it from there. Erik hasn't done himself any favours, but no chance in hell a different manager does any better than him with what he has had to deal with. considering our position before he joined us it still(oh how far we've fallen)could be 2 cup finals in 2 seasons. Many of us would have taken that... |
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Post by ratbag on Apr 9, 2024 10:16:37 GMT
Hearing that the scousers are going for Amorim.
Could be a shrewd move…
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Post by ratbag on Apr 9, 2024 10:17:40 GMT
Let's face it. There isn't a decent replacement available this summer who'd be interested in joining us. Erik has had a pretty awful 2nd season but there are some mitigating factors: 1) Midfield has been dysfunctional this season because Casemiro has become sluggish and sloppy, Eriksen doesn't have the legs, Amrabat has made zero impact, Mount has been injured, Scotty can score goals and do little else, and Mainoo cannot do it all. That has contributed to the lack of defensive cover and the poor build up play this season. 2) Defensive injuries have been insane with Martinez and Shaw badly missed. It has been firefighting all season and Martinez and Shaw are both important to our attacking play. 3) We've been short on quality upfront because Rashford has reverted to type, Greenwood had to be sent to Spain and Hojlund is very raw. And when you have issues in all three areas of the pitch it isn't entirely surprising we've had a crap season. And most of these issues stem from poor recruitment with injuries a secondary factor. As a result Erik has been left with an unbalanced squad and so not a total surprise that performances and results have also been unbalanced. Poor recruitment and injury problems can both be addressed without needing to get rid of Erik. And when they are addressed and we have a more balanced squad then we should see improvements on the pitch. Of course if next season is just as bad then we will need to sack him and hire the best replacement available (underwhelming as that person might be). But in the absence of a standout candidate I would focus on sorting out recruitment and injuries and seeing if that helps Erik perform better. I agree the key priority is to sort out matters off the pitch first, give ETH the best possible platform to work from and take it from there. Erik hasn't done himself any favours, but no chance in hell a different manager does any better than him with what he has had to deal with. considering our position before he joined us it still(oh how far we've fallen)could be 2 cup finals in 2 seasons. Many of us would have taken that... Rather have two or three cup WINS in two years… |
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Post by viking22 on Apr 9, 2024 13:10:09 GMT
Talk of Liverpool having a verbal agreement with Amorim.
If so we might have a good chance of landing Nagelsmann this summer. That would be an interesting prospect.
He did great things with Hoffenheim and Leipzig. And that is what we aren't seeing with Erik-the ability to get a team of mostly limited players to gel and punch above their weight. We haven't moved on from the Ole days when we are too reliant on a few individuals showing up and papering over cracks. And he also has the big club experience with Bayern and won a few trophies with them and got some experience dealing with big name players. And he is a bit more pragmatic and tactically flexible than Erik.
I do have some sympathy for Erik and as my earlier post argued there are mitigating factors. But we've gone backwards this season and his tactics and substitutions are bewildering and he has gone full delusional in his press conferences and doesn't seem to have a credible plan to turn things around and just keeps making excuses about injuries. So there might be something to be said for cutting our losses and giving Nagelsmann a go assuming he is willing to join us.
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Post by ratbag on Apr 9, 2024 16:33:39 GMT
Talk of Liverpool having a verbal agreement with Amorim. If so we might have a good chance of landing Nagelsmann this summer. That would be an interesting prospect. He did great things with Hoffenheim and Leipzig. And that is what we aren't seeing with Erik-the ability to get a team of mostly limited players to gel and punch above their weight. We haven't moved on from the Ole days when we are too reliant on a few individuals showing up and papering over cracks. And he also has the big club experience with Bayern and won a few trophies with them and got some experience dealing with big name players. And he is a bit more pragmatic and tactically flexible than Erik. I do have some sympathy for Erik and as my earlier post argued there are mitigating factors. But we've gone backwards this season and his tactics and substitutions are bewildering and he has gone full delusional in his press conferences and doesn't seem to have a credible plan to turn things around and just keeps making excuses about injuries. So there might be something to be said for cutting our losses and giving Nagelsmann a go assuming he is willing to join us. Nagelsmann would be my choice but I wanted ETH so what do I know? |
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