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Post by Karma on May 25, 2024 19:26:43 GMT
If we’re going to replace him with Southgate or McKenna then he can stay. IMO
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Post by redcase on May 25, 2024 19:47:11 GMT
If they do sack ETH, I’d take Poch over the other two. But right now there is no obvious manager who would immediately improve this squad that’s available. I’d think giving ETH another year but less input over signings is best middle ground. Despite low table finish. At least we aren’t Bayern going after Kompany!! Or Barca with their mess. Poch hasnt yet won a trophy, he had huge talents at Chelsea but he finished 3 point above us. I dont understand our fan base with this rinse repeat cycle. I believe there are no options here, just stick with ETH cause any option will mean we will be back here in 12 months calling for another head.
3 finals in his first 2 seasons is not something anyone has done in a while at United.
But sacking Mourinho after winning 3 trophies in one season, then coming 2nd in the next was perfectly fine according to many here. Mourinho was fucked over completely in the transfer window, let down by shitstains like Martial and Pogba, yet everyone wanted his head. ten Hag has signed nearly everyone he asked for, and there are very real problems with his football. Let the booze wear off, and let those guys running things have a think. Cup finals are lotteries. Gvardiol gifting Garnacho the opening goal is testament to that. Winning a cup final Feels great but the league is the benchmark of progress.
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Post by Stretty on May 25, 2024 19:52:30 GMT
Poch hasnt yet won a trophy, he had huge talents at Chelsea but he finished 3 point above us. I dont understand our fan base with this rinse repeat cycle. I believe there are no options here, just stick with ETH cause any option will mean we will be back here in 12 months calling for another head.
3 finals in his first 2 seasons is not something anyone has done in a while at United.
But sacking Mourinho after winning 3 trophies in one season, then coming 2nd in the next was perfectly fine according to many here. Mourinho was fucked over completely in the transfer window, let down by shitstains like Martial and Pogba, yet everyone wanted his head. ten Hag has signed nearly everyone he asked for, and there are very real problems with his football. Let the booze wear off, and let those guys running things have a think. Cup finals are lotteries. Gvardiol gifting Garnacho the opening goal is testament to that. Winning a cup final Feels great but the league is the benchmark of progress. Not had a drink yet but I’m going to split a bottle of red with the significant other in an hour or so. The bit in bold is probably the best way forward for all Utd fans discussing the manager’s future. lets enjoy the win and shelve this for a few days.
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Post by Tatty on May 25, 2024 20:01:29 GMT
Imagine wanting Ten Hag gone. Man has shown he can do it. Give him the tools to build a young Manchester United team in his image.
Bald is best!
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Post by harvindhillon on May 25, 2024 20:03:36 GMT
Poch hasnt yet won a trophy, he had huge talents at Chelsea but he finished 3 point above us. I dont understand our fan base with this rinse repeat cycle. I believe there are no options here, just stick with ETH cause any option will mean we will be back here in 12 months calling for another head.
3 finals in his first 2 seasons is not something anyone has done in a while at United.
But sacking Mourinho after winning 3 trophies in one season, then coming 2nd in the next was perfectly fine according to many here. Mourinho was fucked over completely in the transfer window, let down by shitstains like Martial and Pogba, yet everyone wanted his head. ten Hag has signed nearly everyone he asked for, and there are very real problems with his football. Let the booze wear off, and let those guys running things have a think. Cup finals are lotteries. Gvardiol gifting Garnacho the opening goal is testament to that. Winning a cup final Feels great but the league is the benchmark of progress. I hope you're not counting the community shield?
Mourinho had his time and 3 seasons. Clearly lost the dressing room. He had that history as well.
I dont think ETH did, he clearly said he wanted De Jong and Kane
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Post by harvindhillon on May 25, 2024 20:04:39 GMT
Imagine wanting Ten Hag gone. Man has shown he can do it. Give him the tools to build a young Manchester United team in his image. Bald is best! With you there mate, I cant wrap my head around it
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Post by Tatty on May 25, 2024 20:09:12 GMT
Imagine wanting Ten Hag gone. Man has shown he can do it. Give him the tools to build a young Manchester United team in his image. Bald is best! With you there mate, I cant wrap my head around it It’s the ‘lack of personality’ brigade that gets me. Dyche, Allardyce etc great for a quote, and good managers, but not a chance they’d get a sniff here. He’s done a masterclass on pep today. Did one on Klopp, too, in 3 games. Does he get it right every time? No? Have we been a chore to watch at times this season? Yes? But I fully buy into his injuries rhetoric. Nobody could see Casemiro drop off a cliff either, give him the backing to buy 5 or 6 exiting youngsters around Licha, Dalot and Bruno and we’ll do something .
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Post by redcase on May 25, 2024 20:12:08 GMT
But sacking Mourinho after winning 3 trophies in one season, then coming 2nd in the next was perfectly fine according to many here. Mourinho was fucked over completely in the transfer window, let down by shitstains like Martial and Pogba, yet everyone wanted his head. ten Hag has signed nearly everyone he asked for, and there are very real problems with his football. Let the booze wear off, and let those guys running things have a think. Cup finals are lotteries. Gvardiol gifting Garnacho the opening goal is testament to that. Winning a cup final Feels great but the league is the benchmark of progress. I hope you're not counting the community shield? Mourinho had his time and 3 seasons. Clearly lost the dressing room. He had that history as well. I dont think ETH did, he clearly said he wanted De Jong and Kane
Whether or not it suits your narrative is immaterial to the fact that it is a trophy. Jose had 2 and a half seasons. Re the dressing room, yes that’s my point - the same toxic group of players who let down all our dressing rooms. Now it’s Jose’s fault for losing it? Either ways my point is knee jerk decisions cannot prevail. He won us a trophy today but he’s also led the worst league campaign in years, with a -1 goal difference. And some of the worst transfer signings in club history. What if he lost today? Would he still be the man for the job? One day’s result is meaningless to the larger picture. Careful considerations need to be made. I do think sacking him now is inconceivable. However, after a few days when the entire season is taken into account, things will be clearer.
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Post by harvindhillon on May 25, 2024 20:28:33 GMT
I hope you're not counting the community shield? Mourinho had his time and 3 seasons. Clearly lost the dressing room. He had that history as well. I dont think ETH did, he clearly said he wanted De Jong and Kane
Whether or not it suits your narrative is immaterial to the fact that it is a trophy. Jose had 2 and a half seasons. Re the dressing room, yes that’s my point - the same toxic group of players who let down all our dressing rooms. Now it’s Jose’s fault for losing it? Either ways my point is knee jerk decisions cannot prevail. He won us a trophy today but he’s also led the worst league campaign in years, with a -1 goal difference. And some of the worst transfer signings in club history. What if he lost today? Would he still be the man for the job? One day’s result is meaningless to the larger picture. Careful considerations need to be made. I do think sacking him now is inconceivable. However, after a few days when the entire season is taken into account, things will be clearer. Yea and I still do not see why we should be sacking the man for McKenna ball
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Post by fergiegiveusawave on May 25, 2024 20:32:48 GMT
As I said in the matchday thread, it may be fickle but it feels impossible to sack him after today.
Most of the players seem to highly respect him, he’s got a fantastic bond with the kids and it’s hard to argue with 2 cups in 2 seasons.
They have to be ultra ruthless though next season. If we’re heading down the same path and looking as poor then they need to be quick to pull the trigger on him and not let it linger.
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Post by viking22 on May 25, 2024 21:10:32 GMT
It is a difficult decision. But in INEOS we trust is not the right answer (even though they will ultimately get to make the decision).
Wilcox has been at the club about five minutes and has been entrusted to do a full audit of the team and pass judgement. And what qualifies him to do so? He's spent most of his career at City's Academy.
Ashworth thinks that Southgate is a good manager. So that disqualifies him already from judging Erik.
SJR and Brailsford don't understand football.
And there is a lot of politics driving the decision. INEOS want to implement a modern structure and therefore want a manager they can control and will be happy to let them dictate recruitment, style of play etc. And Erik probably rubs them up the wrong way because he is Dutch and very direct and speaks his mind and won't kiss ass. And they seem far less interested in short term success and more interested in the idea of a long term project. It is good PR but if we want to stay relevant we need to win trophies and Erik has proven he can do that.
And there also needs to be a sense of perspective. Erik hasn't lost the dressing room. The players have been fighting for him all season. He's won more domestic cups than any of the post-Fergie managers and made top 4 in his first season and we've never had a season so blighted with injuries as this one.
So the sensible thing to do is to give him the benefit of the doubt and give him more time and try to help him fix some of the issues we've faced this season.
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Post by harvindhillon on May 26, 2024 22:02:03 GMT
Today's news is that United have spoken to Frank and Poch, if this is true I mean what the fuck? This club and the new ownership are completely clueless seems like. x.com/HammettStuart/status/1794456880917463330We should trust the man, tapping our academy. We have had so many breakout players since he came in. I cant remember when we had this many players from the academy coming up to the first team and actually being starters for club and country. We all saw having the right players available especially in defense makes such a big difference to ETH's game. It's clear for me injuries played a big big part in our horrible league run, mental others are just calling it an excuse. We dont have a deep squad like when Fergie was here where we had at least 2 good players for each position.
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Post by dazjoe on May 26, 2024 22:36:37 GMT
Today's news is that United have spoken to Frank and Poch, if this is true I mean what the fuck? This club and the new ownership are completely clueless seems like. x.com/HammettStuart/status/1794456880917463330We should trust the man, tapping our academy. We have had so many breakout players since he came in. I cant remember when we had this many players from the academy coming up to the first team and actually being starters for club and country. We all saw having the right players available especially in defense makes such a big difference to ETH's game. It's clear for me injuries played a big big part in our horrible league run, mental others are just calling it an excuse. We dont have a deep squad like when Fergie was here where we had at least 2 good players for each position.This is true but if you have issue's, especially in defence, you need to set things up to protect them. He's continued playing the same style of football for 99% of the season, even though it was painfully obvious it was all wrong and costing us again and again. If you are playing a RB at LB and your back up RB at RB, and your 4th or 5th choice centre backs starting, or even a midfielder in defence, then you get a pass for the defence looking weak; but you can't just go "4-1-4-1 again today lads", with forwards pushing up and defence dropping off and a 50 yard gap between the 2 with enough room for the opposition to drive a tractor through. Do something different. He's finally done that in the last games of the season with a false 9 and more protection in midfield, and it's resulted in a cup and 3 straight wins. But why did it take so long to figure out? That's not good management. Throw in just how often wins have turned into draws and draws into defeats in the last 5 minutes of a game, and the awful signings of Mount and Antony to name but 2, and it's not exactly mental to think it's too little too late for him.
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Post by harvindhillon on May 26, 2024 22:50:54 GMT
Today's news is that United have spoken to Frank and Poch, if this is true I mean what the fuck? This club and the new ownership are completely clueless seems like. x.com/HammettStuart/status/1794456880917463330We should trust the man, tapping our academy. We have had so many breakout players since he came in. I cant remember when we had this many players from the academy coming up to the first team and actually being starters for club and country. We all saw having the right players available especially in defense makes such a big difference to ETH's game. It's clear for me injuries played a big big part in our horrible league run, mental others are just calling it an excuse. We dont have a deep squad like when Fergie was here where we had at least 2 good players for each position.This is true but if you have issue's, especially in defence, you need to set things up to protect them. He's continued playing the same style of football for 99% of the season, even though it was painfully obvious it was all wrong and costing us again and again. If you are playing a RB at LB and your back up RB at RB, and your 4th or 5th choice centre backs starting, or even a midfielder in defence, then you get a pass for the defence looking weak; but you can't just go "4-1-4-1 again today lads", with forwards pushing up and defence dropping off and a 50 yard gap between the 2 with enough room for the opposition to drive a tractor through. Do something different. He's finally done that in the last games of the season with a false 9 and more protection in midfield, and it's resulted in a cup and 3 straight wins. But why did it take so long to figure out? That's not good management. Throw in just how often wins have turned into draws and draws into defeats in the last 5 minutes of a game, and the awful signings of Mount and Antony to name but 2, and it's not exactly mental to think it's too little too late for him. You can only do as much with the squad you got and ours beyond the starting 11 is shit.
Mount hasnt started enough, Anthony yes But lets not forget Martinez, Eriksson, Malacia and Casemiro last season who all did well or exceptionally. Rasmus this season. Mainoo and Garnacho from the youth.
When you had 15 different CB pairings, a new GK, no LB and one fit ST, and still ending with a trophy? Tell me if Klopp or Pep or anyone else including the names we have been linked with do better. Remember last season with the scum and Klopp? not as bad as our injury record this season but his key starters were missing and their season fell apart.
We havent won a trophy back to back in 10+ years. He's done better than Arteta who has been getting all the praise.
Starting back at square 1? You must be joking!
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Post by harvindhillon on May 26, 2024 23:22:48 GMT
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