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Post by unitedsotex on Mar 15, 2024 18:19:25 GMT
The last Manager I want for this club is one that has failed at their previous post.... Tuchel by all accounts has, Southgate has never been considered a good manager from what I've in here or other comments from Englishman.
Nagelssmann never failed at Bayern they fired him for no reason other than to hire Tuchel which has blown up in there face.
Alonso would be a solid hire but can he handle the big club with egos and politics remains to be seen.
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Post by Karma on Mar 15, 2024 23:10:30 GMT
Nagelsman would be my choice.
Conte and Simeone ain’t happening so I think this is next best option.
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Post by anti_social on Mar 16, 2024 8:26:15 GMT
I'm exasperated with ETH, he's been appalling this season but I don't think anyone has a clue who would, or wouldn't succeed here right now.
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Post by ratbag on Mar 16, 2024 14:09:40 GMT
It's all a bit of a gamble...
We have had a couple of the best managers around and they have pretty much failed...at least as far as winning the PL and playing decent football is concerned...
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Post by king nothing on Mar 16, 2024 15:58:01 GMT
I'd just like some stability. I know we will never see the like of Fergie and Wenger again, but sacking managers every couple of seasons feels wrong for me. Bloody hell, we had two managers through 50 years in Sir Matt and Fergie. I know the football landscape has changed etc. Maybe it's an old fart thing!
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Post by Karma on Mar 31, 2024 11:20:03 GMT
I'd just like some stability. I know we will never see the like of Fergie and Wenger again, but sacking managers every couple of seasons feels wrong for me. Bloody hell, we had two managers through 50 years in Sir Matt and Fergie. I know the football landscape has changed etc. Maybe it's an old fart thing! Stability comes when you get the right manager. You only have to look at Liverpool for that. We need to stumble across ours. |
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Post by viking22 on Mar 31, 2024 11:47:04 GMT
I do not think that managers should be sacked simply because results aren't good enough. Even though that approach worked just fine for Chelsea under Roman and for Real Madrid for much of their history.
But there does need to be a sense that the manager has a plan and there are improvements being made even if they are yet to be reflected in performances and results.
And with Erik if anything the results flatter him and really we look like a midtable club this season with a goal difference to match.
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Post by Karma on Mar 31, 2024 15:17:32 GMT
I do not think that managers should be sacked simply because results aren't good enough. Even though that approach worked just fine for Chelsea under Roman and for Real Madrid for much of their history. But there does need to be a sense that the manager has a plan and there are improvements being made even if they are yet to be reflected in performances and results. And with Erik if anything the results flatter him and really we look like a midtable club this season with a goal difference to match. The football is dreadful and chaotic. As bad as LVG’s football was there was a plan. |
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Post by Stretty on Mar 31, 2024 15:38:55 GMT
I do not think that managers should be sacked simply because results aren't good enough. Even though that approach worked just fine for Chelsea under Roman and for Real Madrid for much of their history. But there does need to be a sense that the manager has a plan and there are improvements being made even if they are yet to be reflected in performances and results. And with Erik if anything the results flatter him and really we look like a midtable club this season with a goal difference to match. That’s the exact reason they should be sacked. Ask Real Madrid. |
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Post by mightyez on Mar 31, 2024 18:13:18 GMT
The more I think about it, if we are going to put the right structure in place and give time and get rid of the troublemakers, I think Nagelsman is the best candidate for the job
The Euro’s clearly is a potential issue though.
That direction or get structure and keep ETH but weed out the troublemakers.
When I say trouble makers, i don’t think people are vocally being an issue as they were before but the lack of running, effort etc on the pitch for me is just trouble and it naturally spread!
Get them out fast
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Post by bushy1987 on Mar 31, 2024 18:34:09 GMT
The more I think about it, if we are going to put the right structure in place and give time and get rid of the troublemakers, I think Nagelsman is the best candidate for the job The Euro’s clearly is a potential issue though. That direction or get structure and keep ETH but weed out the troublemakers. When I say trouble makers, i don’t think people are vocally being an issue as they were before but the lack of running, effort etc on the pitch for me is just trouble and it naturally spread! Get them out fast Naglesman would be my first option with the new structure, but as you say it all depends on a clear out, he can't be coming in and expecting to play some kind of brilliant football and still having to play the likes of Maguire lindelof AWB Scotty ect, if they are still at the club a new manager is pretty much pointless. |
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Post by alwaysUnited on Mar 31, 2024 19:47:42 GMT
I'd just like some stability. I know we will never see the like of Fergie and Wenger again, but sacking managers every couple of seasons feels wrong for me. Bloody hell, we had two managers through 50 years in Sir Matt and Fergie. I know the football landscape has changed etc. Maybe it's an old fart thing! Sir Alex's first few years and the the success he achieved is clouding our vision even in 2024.We need to accept he was the exception rather than the norm and move on. Standards have fallen so low that if Moyes was appointed now he wont look so out of place with his excuses , mediocre football and our mid table position. Next season , third year of Ten Hag we should have been in a position to compete for PL and CL. Instead we are going to be in Europa league and light years away from a title challenge in the league. I know not many want Conte here but there are still good options out there Xabi ALonso , Naglesmann , Simone Inzaghi , Zidane (not likely to come ,but maybe Jim can spring a surprise on us like how we poached Omar Berrada from city group) |
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Post by alwaysUnited on Mar 31, 2024 20:04:12 GMT
One thing is absolutely clear , no manager is going to be successful here with these players , but problem is these players are not completely shit either , most of them do have some talent.
So every once in while when the pressure is off they go on a nice run and we think 'yep we have finally turned the corner , THIS is the turning point we were waiting for' - only for them to return to type.
So whoever comes in next has to demand better players and not try and improve with these lot (which is exactly what the likes of Poch , Potter and De Zerbi will do if they get the job. ETH abandoned his Ajax football to accommodate these losers and look at him now).
Cant keep lowering the standards anymore.
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Post by viking22 on Apr 1, 2024 8:50:09 GMT
That is the problem really. INEOS aren't going to contemplate the "open-heart surgery" that this squad still needs. They are going to favour low maintenance undemanding managerial prospects who will be prepared to work with the existing squad and are happy to coach whoever Ashworth wants to bring in. And they are going to favour a strong British core to the squad and keep Maguire, Scotty, Mount, Rashford etc.
The only players this season of the requisite standard to play for the first team are Martinez, Shaw (when fit but with his injury record we really need another quality LB), Mainoo, Bruno (but not as captain!), Garnacho and Hojlund.
Recruitment should improve once we get Ashworth on board and unlike the Glazers, Ratcliffe has enough knowledge and interest in the game to veto obviously stupid deals and won't let us get ripped off so frequently.
But it is no use bringing in three good players a season if you hire someone like Southgate or Potter. De Zerbi might improve the quality of the football but he's never managed a big club before and never won anything of note.
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Post by alwaysUnited on Apr 1, 2024 9:47:08 GMT
That is the problem really. INEOS aren't going to contemplate the "open-heart surgery" that this squad still needs. They are going to favour low maintenance undemanding managerial prospects who will be prepared to work with the existing squad and are happy to coach whoever Ashworth wants to bring in. And they are going to favour a strong British core to the squad and keep Maguire, Scotty, Mount, Rashford etc. I too got this feeling Jim fancies this nonsense of 'British core'. Hopefully once the team is setup they will take a hands off approach and allow likes of Berrada to work. There is no use of all this long reviews , processes and structure if the new owner is going interfere and run things as he sees fit. (I dont agree including Mount in that list , he is a very good player IF he can stay fit) |
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