Summer 2024 transfer window

[mightyez]

Key once again for another summer running will be departures.
We have to accept losses, there are many players that need shipping out.

[Chris]

I’m really enjoying all the chat about every player at the club potentially up for sale. Big clear out could finally be here.

[unitedsotex]

Apr 29, 2024 21:29:08 GMT Chris said:

I’m really enjoying all the chat about every player at the club potentially up for sale. Big clear out could finally be here.

Every time I see a "United players up for sale this summer" list it's 10-15 guys and I'm just like "That's massively ambitious but fuck'm sell them all"

I don't think I've heard if Ineos is willing to be aggressive in the market. Also haven't heard the "buy for the right price" or "we will need to move players out before to raise some funds" nonsense we've been hearing.

[viking22]

I like the change in approach. With FFP you should be open to offers to all but a handful of key players (Garnacho, Mainoo, Hojlund, Martinez, Bruno). Everyone else for a reasonable price I would take the money safe in the knowledge that with a good recruitment team we can buy better replacements.

[keanosdog16]

Sky sports and BBC both running on poll on who we should sell etc, some of the comments from United fans are interesting to say the least, one even said keep Rashy and Sancho, had to have been a wind up!

At least it sends a message that none of them are safe!

[viking22]

Bruno making rather non-committal noises when asked about his future:

"A player always has to want to be here, but at the same time, you have to want him to stay. At the moment, I feel there’s that on both sides. I’m not thinking too much about the future, not least because, obviously, this season hasn’t been at the level I’d hoped for, either individually or collectively, so far. So, if you want me to be very honest, if I have to think about not continuing in the Premier League, it won’t be until after the Euros because nothing will be able to take my focus away from the FA Cup final and the Euros, as there’s nothing more important than that at the moment.”

He's 29 years old so wouldn't blame him for getting fed up of carrying the team and wanting a fresh challenge. Especially as if he has a good Euros he'll have plenty of suitors.

I also cannot imagine Garnacho sticking around forever if things don't improve fast under INEOS. He's super driven and wants to be the next Ronaldo and won't want to miss out on the biggest competitions such as the Champions League.

[Kojak]

Apr 30, 2024 21:03:00 GMT viking22 said:

Bruno making rather non-committal noises when asked about his future:

"A player always has to want to be here, but at the same time, you have to want him to stay. At the moment, I feel there’s that on both sides. I’m not thinking too much about the future, not least because, obviously, this season hasn’t been at the level I’d hoped for, either individually or collectively, so far. So, if you want me to be very honest, if I have to think about not continuing in the Premier League, it won’t be until after the Euros because nothing will be able to take my focus away from the FA Cup final and the Euros, as there’s nothing more important than that at the moment.”

He's 29 years old so wouldn't blame him for getting fed up of carrying the team and wanting a fresh challenge. Especially as if he has a good Euros he'll have plenty of suitors.

I also cannot imagine Garnacho sticking around forever if things don't improve fast under INEOS. He's super driven and wants to be the next Ronaldo and won't want to miss out on the biggest competitions such as the Champions League.

I don’t think it’s non-committal really. He says both sides want to continue together straight away. “If I have to think about leaving” makes it sound more like, if the club don’t want me.

[caino]

Apr 30, 2024 21:03:00 GMT viking22 said:

Bruno making rather non-committal noises when asked about his future:

"A player always has to want to be here, but at the same time, you have to want him to stay. At the moment, I feel there’s that on both sides. I’m not thinking too much about the future, not least because, obviously, this season hasn’t been at the level I’d hoped for, either individually or collectively, so far. So, if you want me to be very honest, if I have to think about not continuing in the Premier League, it won’t be until after the Euros because nothing will be able to take my focus away from the FA Cup final and the Euros, as there’s nothing more important than that at the moment.”

He's 29 years old so wouldn't blame him for getting fed up of carrying the team and wanting a fresh challenge. Especially as if he has a good Euros he'll have plenty of suitors.

I also cannot imagine Garnacho sticking around forever if things don't improve fast under INEOS. He's super driven and wants to be the next Ronaldo and won't want to miss out on the biggest competitions such as the Champions League.

there isnt many teams that could afford his wages, unless he leaves on a free theres only a handful of teams that could afford the package. possibly Barce, Munich and PSG. he isnt getting in Madrid side.

as for Garnacho - he isnt getting in the madrid side for many years unless Vini Jnr leaves and why would he

[Stew]

May 1, 2024 8:22:11 GMT Kojak said:

Apr 30, 2024 21:03:00 GMT viking22 said:

Bruno making rather non-committal noises when asked about his future:

"A player always has to want to be here, but at the same time, you have to want him to stay. At the moment, I feel there’s that on both sides. I’m not thinking too much about the future, not least because, obviously, this season hasn’t been at the level I’d hoped for, either individually or collectively, so far. So, if you want me to be very honest, if I have to think about not continuing in the Premier League, it won’t be until after the Euros because nothing will be able to take my focus away from the FA Cup final and the Euros, as there’s nothing more important than that at the moment.”

He's 29 years old so wouldn't blame him for getting fed up of carrying the team and wanting a fresh challenge. Especially as if he has a good Euros he'll have plenty of suitors.

I also cannot imagine Garnacho sticking around forever if things don't improve fast under INEOS. He's super driven and wants to be the next Ronaldo and won't want to miss out on the biggest competitions such as the Champions League.

I don’t think it’s non-committal really. He says both sides want to continue together straight away. “If I have to think about leaving” makes it sound more like, if the club don’t want me.

Exactly.

He’s also won scandalously little considering his output and standard of play over the last few years. I’m a fan of his but wouldn’t begrudge him a move to win a few trophies. God knows he’d deserve them unlike most of his teammates.

[seanie]

It was fascinating watching Real v Bayern last night. The commentators were waxing on about Bellingham non stop, but it was a Toni Kroos masterclass that controlled everything for Real. A year ago he and Modric were done, but if you surround them with good technical strong young players they are still vital. Kroos opened up the defence for the first goal out of nothing and Modric came on for Kroos after 70mins and created a wonderful chance for V Jnr. There was no creativity from Bellingham, Camavinga or Tchouemeni, but they did the pressing and defending and had the legs to compensate.

Erriksen can still do that for us if you had that level of talent/energy behind him and or Bruno could actually do what he is good at instead of running himself into the ground covering everything. There is absolutely no way the current Casemiro would get into that team on a regular basis and playing Casemiro with Erikksen worked for a while last year, with a steady fit back four, but it is useless now.

We need energy and decent technical skill in midfield as much as a settled back four and CB partnership. We have some real talent in various positions, but the spine of the team is so weak.

[seanie]

If Erriksen moves on we can't lose Bruno. You would lose all creativity in that team as well as having to buy younger central mids anyway.

It would cost a fortune to replace that at once, so just buy the legs!

[seanie]

Fulham bought Palhinha in 2022 for a few million more than we paid for Amrabat's loan deal for a year! and Newcastle got Guimaraes for 40M.

If all these sporting directors and technical directors are worth anything there should be plenty of these players for decent value in Europe

[viking22]

We spent £65m last summer trying to solve our midfield problems by buying Mount and loaning Amrabat. Absolutely a competent recruitment team prepared to push back on the manager's bizarre desire to only sign players he's coached before could have for that money signed a quality midfielder that could have slotted alongside Mainoo and Bruno.

There is no room in our midfield for Casemiro though. Even if you buy a young midfielder with legs that would mean you'd have to drop Mainoo or Bruno. And I don't think the issue is necessarily legs. The issue is that we lose the ball cheaply and are bad at regrouping which leaves gaps all over the pitch which Casemiro is too old to fill. We also do not control games which means that the demands are much greater. We are many years away from being in a position where we are so good that we can accommodate a few grizzly veterans to add experience and quality in big games. And lest we forget Casemiro was deemed surplus to requirements by Real Madrid two years ago.

The best way to rebuild is to try to get rid of as many of the players we have that are past their prime (Casemiro, Eriksen, Varane) or not good enough (Rashford, Antony, Sancho, Mount, Onana) while keeping a few squad players (Maguire, Scotty, maybe Dalot etc) and then trying to upgrade as many positions as we can rather than hoping that a few expensive signings will change our fortunes. And with Wilcox in the team we should be buying young players we can develop into stars and before they become overhyped and overpriced (e.g. Sancho). It will take time and will result in a few transitional seasons in which our team will be a bit unbalanced but it will eventually pay off in spades if we get the quality right when it comes to recruitment.

[seanie]

May 1, 2024 19:23:44 GMT viking22 said:

We spent £65m last summer trying to solve our midfield problems by buying Mount and loaning Amrabat. Absolutely a competent recruitment team prepared to push back on the manager's bizarre desire to only sign players he's coached before could have for that money signed a quality midfielder that could have slotted alongside Mainoo and Bruno.

There is no room in our midfield for Casemiro though. Even if you buy a young midfielder with legs that would mean you'd have to drop Mainoo or Bruno. And I don't think the issue is necessarily legs. The issue is that we lose the ball cheaply and are bad at regrouping which leaves gaps all over the pitch which Casemiro is too old to fill. We also do not control games which means that the demands are much greater. We are many years away from being in a position where we are so good that we can accommodate a few grizzly veterans to add experience and quality in big games. And lest we forget Casemiro was deemed surplus to requirements by Real Madrid two years ago.

The best way to rebuild is to try to get rid of as many of the players we have that are past their prime (Casemiro, Eriksen, Varane) or not good enough (Rashford, Antony, Sancho, Mount, Onana) while keeping a few squad players (Maguire, Scotty, maybe Dalot etc) and then trying to upgrade as many positions as we can rather than hoping that a few expensive signings will change our fortunes. And with Wilcox in the team we should be buying young players we can develop into stars and before they become overhyped and overpriced (e.g. Sancho). It will take time and will result in a few transitional seasons in which our team will be a bit unbalanced but it will eventually pay off in spades if we get the quality right when it comes to recruitment.

If there is no competent recruitment structure and evaluation system, then you are relying on each coach to do the recruitment. You end up with different players for different styles every 2 years and short term poor value. That's a failed policy, but you can't blame the symptom. 

[Sméagol]

Give Leverkusen everything for Frimpong.