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Post by viking22 on Oct 21, 2024 16:17:30 GMT
Good thing is that INEOS don't overpay and don't put players on stupid wages so even if we do need to upgrade some of their signings later down the line we should recoup most of our outlay.
We are financially constrained. That is clear to see. Obviously we aren't winning titles with players like Ugarte and Zirzkee but they fit within our budget and it is probably too soon to write them off and we will probably be able to recoup most of our outlay in the future.
Probably our best chance of getting back on top is to have a great crop of youngsters coming through. So very supportive of the way INEOS are trying to bring in some teenagers with huge potential.
Either they upgrade certain positions which means we can raise some funds selling the present occupants of those positions or we can sell them for a tidy profit. The end result should be more funds to spend and fewer positions to strengthen which will allow us to pay up for top quality on the few remaining positions we want to in-source.
Plus in 3-4 years time when they are starting to break through we should have hopefully found the right manager and started to see some benefits from the new structure.
At the moment we are trying to buy 4-5 players a summer on a limited budget so obviously having to compromise on quality.
Hopefully next summer we can be a bit more focused. I'd love us to try to buy Adam Wharton and Evan Ferguson next summer. It is possible their clubs do an Everton and price us out of a move. But you never know until you try. And it would be very tasty to have Wharton and Ferguson joining Hojlund Mainoo and Garnacho as the first cohort of INEOS fledglings and they'll all be senior players by the time the next cohort comes through and then things start to get exciting.
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Post by kingkobbie on Oct 21, 2024 20:03:02 GMT
The next window is going to be tough again unless they can raise some good sales from some of these wastes. It's actually a real worry, because you have Antony, Mount, Casemiro, Eriksen, Lindelof, Maguire, Shaw. All will be leaving or just not contributing. Then you have players like Zirkzee and Malacia who are unknown, but don't look great to me. Midfield squad will need to be totally re vamped and we need at least 1 left back another CB at least 2 central mids of the highest quality and two top class forwards, a striker and a right winger. I think it will take 3 windows to get us to the level of challenging for CL and PL. They can't just keep buying youngsters either Zirkzee is another mistake, good that he stays fit, but is he really any sort of upgrade on Martial in terms of ability, i would say no. I like Casemiro, think he will do better under someone else who knows better. Mason Mount i had high hopes, but he hardly stays fit. In terms of pure ability Zirkzee appears to be a clear downgrade from Martial. |
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Post by unitedsotex on Oct 22, 2024 1:31:00 GMT
rumors going around Zirkzee already wants out and Juve being the target....saw 2 or 3 different tweets about it and even ESPN felt the need to send me a notification about the small article they wrote about it.
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Post by seanie on Oct 22, 2024 12:16:25 GMT
Zirkzee is another mistake, good that he stays fit, but is he really any sort of upgrade on Martial in terms of ability, i would say no. I like Casemiro, think he will do better under someone else who knows better. Mason Mount i had high hopes, but he hardly stays fit. In terms of pure ability Zirkzee appears to be a clear downgrade from Martial. The thing about Zirkzee is he's 23 and had broken in to senior football for near 5 years now. He's not even half as good as Martial was at 19, but he isn't really the same type of player and I'm probably way too early to judge, but he hasn't really done it anywhere else in a big way. |
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Post by seanie on Oct 22, 2024 12:21:21 GMT
Good thing is that INEOS don't overpay and don't put players on stupid wages so even if we do need to upgrade some of their signings later down the line we should recoup most of our outlay. We are financially constrained. That is clear to see. Obviously we aren't winning titles with players like Ugarte and Zirzkee but they fit within our budget and it is probably too soon to write them off and we will probably be able to recoup most of our outlay in the future. Probably our best chance of getting back on top is to have a great crop of youngsters coming through. So very supportive of the way INEOS are trying to bring in some teenagers with huge potential. Either they upgrade certain positions which means we can raise some funds selling the present occupants of those positions or we can sell them for a tidy profit. The end result should be more funds to spend and fewer positions to strengthen which will allow us to pay up for top quality on the few remaining positions we want to in-source. Plus in 3-4 years time when they are starting to break through we should have hopefully found the right manager and started to see some benefits from the new structure. At the moment we are trying to buy 4-5 players a summer on a limited budget so obviously having to compromise on quality. Hopefully next summer we can be a bit more focused. I'd love us to try to buy Adam Wharton and Evan Ferguson next summer. It is possible their clubs do an Everton and price us out of a move. But you never know until you try. And it would be very tasty to have Wharton and Ferguson joining Hojlund Mainoo and Garnacho as the first cohort of INEOS fledglings and they'll all be senior players by the time the next cohort comes through and then things start to get exciting. I don't see why we shouldn't move for players if possible in January. It shouldn't all be about stuffing into one window and when people say it's not possible, Chelsea bought 6 players in one Jan window. I'm not saying that was a huge success either or we need to do that but they could do something decent in January even if it's one or two players, to get ahead of the rush and make the summer transition easier. |
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Post by seanie on Oct 22, 2024 12:24:05 GMT
Good thing is that INEOS don't overpay and don't put players on stupid wages so even if we do need to upgrade some of their signings later down the line we should recoup most of our outlay. We are financially constrained. That is clear to see. Obviously we aren't winning titles with players like Ugarte and Zirzkee but they fit within our budget and it is probably too soon to write them off and we will probably be able to recoup most of our outlay in the future. Probably our best chance of getting back on top is to have a great crop of youngsters coming through. So very supportive of the way INEOS are trying to bring in some teenagers with huge potential. Either they upgrade certain positions which means we can raise some funds selling the present occupants of those positions or we can sell them for a tidy profit. The end result should be more funds to spend and fewer positions to strengthen which will allow us to pay up for top quality on the few remaining positions we want to in-source. Plus in 3-4 years time when they are starting to break through we should have hopefully found the right manager and started to see some benefits from the new structure. At the moment we are trying to buy 4-5 players a summer on a limited budget so obviously having to compromise on quality. Hopefully next summer we can be a bit more focused. I'd love us to try to buy Adam Wharton and Evan Ferguson next summer. It is possible their clubs do an Everton and price us out of a move. But you never know until you try. And it would be very tasty to have Wharton and Ferguson joining Hojlund Mainoo and Garnacho as the first cohort of INEOS fledglings and they'll all be senior players by the time the next cohort comes through and then things start to get exciting. We need much better than Evan Ferguson, he's massively hyped and priced! |
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Post by seanie on Oct 22, 2024 12:33:01 GMT
We should loan Mount out. He's done nothing and won't, going on three seasons now. Zirkzee deserves a chance to play and get better or prove himself, at least he's available!
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Post by seanie on Oct 22, 2024 12:46:54 GMT
They are spending nearly 1m/950,000 to be exact per week on wages for Antony, Shaw, Casemiro and Mount and there is little or no contribution from any of those players and doubt there ever will be. ( Casemiro at least had one good season )
That's 49-52m per year just on those 4 players and a total of 200m for Cas, Antony and Mount in transfer fees.
That is a staggering level of incompetence and poor planning. It's not Ineos fault at this stage and will take time to correct it all, but it effects their ability to move faster.
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Post by Stew on Oct 22, 2024 14:12:42 GMT
If we don’t address the left back position in January then we are truly skint.
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Post by unitedsotex on Oct 22, 2024 14:23:12 GMT
If we don’t address the left back position in January then we are truly skint. Malacia and Shaw will come back just in time for them to not then Shaw will breath the wrong way and be out for another 3 months as soon as the window closes |
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Post by Stew on Oct 22, 2024 14:36:36 GMT
If we don’t address the left back position in January then we are truly skint. Malacia and Shaw will come back just in time for them to not then Shaw will breath the wrong way and be out for another 3 months as soon as the window closes Sadly probably true. |
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Post by Stretty on Oct 22, 2024 15:09:25 GMT
rumors going around Zirkzee already wants out and Juve being the target....saw 2 or 3 different tweets about it and even ESPN felt the need to send me a notification about the small article they wrote about it. I don’t like to write players off to soon but i just don’t see anything special about him at all. i we can get what we payed for him then I’m up for shifting him on. |
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Post by fergiegiveusawave on Oct 22, 2024 15:30:14 GMT
Zirkzee has started all of 5 games for us, in a period when the team as a whole has been utterly appalling. The stick he’s getting is genuinely mind boggling.
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Post by Stew on Oct 22, 2024 17:26:59 GMT
Zirkzee has started all of 5 games for us, in a period when the team as a whole has been utterly appalling. The stick he’s getting is genuinely mind boggling. No, you can definitely tell whether or not a player is good enough after 5 games. |
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Post by kingkobbie on Oct 22, 2024 17:38:32 GMT
I don't know whether he's "good enough," but if he wants to leave already then he should go. Goodbye.
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