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Post by jimbonda on Oct 19, 2011 15:56:58 GMT
we all know about cleverley, Ferguson will know about cleverley better than most, but look what happened when a top player like nasri became available - we went in for him. There is room for another midfielder at the club.
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Post by Jayrannasaurus on Oct 19, 2011 16:13:00 GMT
If we depend on Cleverly, at his age, the way we are we'll end up with a situation resembling RVP at Le' Arse, when he's not there they fall to pieces as their other strikers just aren't up to scratch when called upon. It's strikingly obvious a midfield consisting of Ando and Carrick doesn't work so if Clevers is out we'll just have to grind outresults?
I have no Idea what the solution is since we clearly don't want to buy a creative player if available, but surely buying more youth won't fill the void in the near future. And yes, Clevers is class but give him a season to prove himself?
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Post by Bestie on Oct 19, 2011 16:21:53 GMT
Bestie, I am not doubting Cleverley's obvious talent. This is more for curiosity terms than anything. But do you think he is that good and our woeful performances have showed that. Or does the fact that we've nothing else creative in midfield overemphasize his ability? He is that good. It's true, it's true. I watch the highlights videos of him against Barca pre-season, Arsenal, and the Community Shield then I watch the Scholes Tribute by adiyah_reds (sp?) on youtube. There are so many similarities in the way Cleverley conducts himself on the pitch. Touch, pass, move into space, all the time. Finding 2 or 3 free square yards in a congested midfield area. His movement off the ball is excellent, he can defend and get about players in midfield rather than right on top of our back four. I'm not labeling him as "the next Scholes" or anything daft, it's just similarities and things that remind me of Scholes. But the kid isspecial. @ Jim - I agree that there's definately room in our midfield for another body. I just disagree that a creative type is what we need, and in my opinion, Sir Alex has been surprised by how much of an impact Clevs has had this quickly and might agree that he is the answer on that side of things. My view, as oft stated, is that we need someone who can do the nasty side of things really well. A 'Blitz' option, to borrow from NFL vernacular. Of course, that all changes however, if we could sign, for example, Sneijder. The Dutchman is a different level right now and if we were able to get him then it would be foolish not to. Cleverley is good, very good, going to be one of the best in the world in my view, but Sneijder would give us an instant fear factor akin to seeing an in prime Scholes or Keane or Cantona in the starting 11. It's his all round aura that is worth paying for rather than Cleverley not being good enough. Modric or Sneijder are the only two game changing names that I would say "Go Get Him" as creative midfielders. Other than that, we don't need anyone else. |
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Post by 7even on Oct 19, 2011 16:37:16 GMT
Fair enough Bestie, but what happens when like now he is out? Who steps in/up? We've got players to do a job but there doesn't seem to be another level from them this season. Or at least seen so far. But then we've needed a decent midfielder for too long. I get Cleverely could (I don't want to jinx anything) be the solution to that creativeness we've lacked for so long but what when he is out like now? Which I guess is why so many people still want to see a player come in.
Whilst keeping on track also, I've never seen anything of this Barkley lad. If anybody has any videos they would like to share, please feel free.
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Post by jimbonda on Oct 19, 2011 16:48:34 GMT
I have no Idea what the solution is since we clearly don't want to buy a creative player if available how do you figure that. we bid for nasri and at least look at sneijder. |
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Post by jimbonda on Oct 19, 2011 16:49:36 GMT
He is that good. It's true, it's true. with that great vision it's almost like he's got 3 i's ... |
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Post by Jayrannasaurus on Oct 19, 2011 17:07:24 GMT
What I mean is I don't think we're that keen on coming out and paying inflated prices for decent players, therefore I'm not really sure what the approach will be. Sure we looked at Nasri and took a gander at Sneijder but, other than Modric, who else is there for an affordable price that we've actually been strongly linked with? Still think we missed the deal of the last few years with VDV, even if he is a tad older.
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Post by ericactor1 on Oct 19, 2011 17:42:10 GMT
Cleverly may be good but I don't think he's good enough to command the midfield himself, right now I don't think theres another good midfielder at the club. Fletcher is only half the player since coming back from injury, Anderson is too inconsistent you never know when he is going to turn in a good performance. Carrick for me is the better out of a bad bunch, he offers balance and doesn't give the ball away as often. I'm really disappointed with Anderson this season he started well but since Chelseas visit to Old Trafford he's been inconsistent.
There's a simple way to judge our midfield, put it on the world stage. Are we good enough to beat Barcelona this year? Or Real Madrid? Is our midfield strong enough?
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Post by Bestie on Oct 19, 2011 18:58:36 GMT
Fair enough Bestie, but what happens when like now he is out? Who steps in/up? We've got players to do a job but there doesn't seem to be another level from them this season. Or at least seen so far. But then we've needed a decent midfielder for too long. I get Cleverely could (I don't want to jinx anything) be the solution to that creativeness we've lacked for so long but what when he is out like now? Which I guess is why so many people still want to see a player come in. Whilst keeping on track also, I've never seen anything of this Barkley lad. If anybody has any videos they would like to share, please feel free. We ask Young and Nani, and Anderson, to step up. Get soild in the middle of the park and then play through the wide channels more. We have good strikers, good defenders, and good wingers. We should be able to cope without one player creatively. Put the like of a Tiote in to do all the hard graft like getting the ball back and making tackles and tell Anderson to concentrate on creating openings and feeding our wingers/frontmen. @ Eric - I think Ando has shown enough already this season that he has the drive and, crucially, the fitness to step up a gear when he gets his mate back in beside him. He's looked a little out of sorts ever since Cleverley got injured, I think, because they had a pretty decent understanding of who would go and who would hold, and to play neat and tidy, quick football. Fletcher and Carrick are more naturally suited to playing slower ball, and Giggs has proved himself a liability against Liverpool. On topic: I have seen bits and pieces of Barkley and he does look a decent player, especially at 17, but the real raving comes from a Toffee mate of mine. He's a season ticket holder, byt wouldn't be stupid about things (e. g. Tim Howard is the best goalkeeper in the League). Tells me Barkley has everybody really excited.  |
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Post by Tatty on Oct 19, 2011 20:29:31 GMT
What I mean is I don't think we're that keen on coming out and paying inflated prices for decent players, therefore I'm not really sure what the approach will be. Sure we looked at Nasri and took a gander at Sneijder but, other than Modric, who else is there for an affordable price that we've actually been strongly linked with? Still think we missed the deal of the last few years with VDV, even if he is a tad older. Silva's the one that got away. £25 mill for him is/was a bargain! |
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Post by Jayrannasaurus on Oct 19, 2011 20:37:13 GMT
8 mil for van der Vaart doesn't sound bad though does it?
Silva, I agree, was the perfect addition but in the end he went to City - the lad's character wasn't right for our club. VDV on the other hand...he just seems a genuine footballer.
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Post by jimbonda on Oct 19, 2011 21:55:35 GMT
question marks over VDV's fitness though. how many times has be played 90 mins for spurs? he misses a few games and every time i see them and he is playing he gets subbed on 60-70. quality footballer though no doubts. and he scores goals, goalscoring midfielders get a yes from me.
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Post by tommyred on Oct 19, 2011 22:03:56 GMT
People seem to overlook VDV's wages too, especially when people say we bought Bebe for roughly the same fee. Pisses me off that. We couldn't really accommodate VDV because he plays predominantly as an attacking midfielder. You have to build the team around him, and he's not good enough to justify that at United. He'd be in Rooney's way.
You don't sign big names when they're available just for the sake of it. Chelsea did that with Ballack and Shevchenko and it fucked them right up.
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Post by 7even on Oct 19, 2011 22:23:07 GMT
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Post by Bestie on Oct 20, 2011 8:23:14 GMT
On topic: I have seen bits and pieces of Barkley and he does look a decent player, especially at 17, but the real raving comes from a Toffee mate of mine. He's a season ticket holder, byt wouldn't be stupid about things (e. g. Tim Howard is the best goalkeeper in the League). Tells me Barkley has everybody really excited. I did try. . . ;D |
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