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Post by ginger18legend on Aug 26, 2012 6:02:20 GMT
Also, where are the people who said he was average? Haven't you heard sleel? Players who don't play for Real Madrid or Barcelona aren't ''United quality''. I remember being absolutely pilloried for mentioning someone like Dempsey long ago (who lets face it, had a far more successful season than Dembele in the same Fulham team). |
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Post by sleel6 on Aug 26, 2012 6:25:57 GMT
Also, where are the people who said he was average? I remember being absolutely pilloried for mentioning someone like Dempsey long ago (who lets face it, had a far more successful season than Dembele in the same Fulham team). Haha. He would certainly do a job in our midfield. |
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Post by redcase on Aug 26, 2012 8:04:09 GMT
Ginger, in all fairness, Dempsey and Dembele are two different propositions. Dempsey is a 29 year old striker while Dembele is a 25 year old midfielder. People were slightly skeptical here about even Robin Van Persie's age, so somebody like Clint Dempsey was obviously going to get some stick. And with him making such a fuss now to join the scum cunts I feel our stick is justified.
Dembele on the other hand received stick I feel merely because he was being talked about right at the start of the transfer window, when we hadn't made any big signings yet and the thought of signing him before making any big name signing just pissed people off at our transfer strategy. Not many of us had seen Dembele play regularly so understandably there was a wave of frustration at his mention. Now that we have seen him, opinion is changing.
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Post by ginger18legend on Aug 26, 2012 8:19:42 GMT
Well, I had mentioned Dempsey before he started clamouring for Liverpool. I'm pretty sure he would have jumped at the chance to join United. The age factor is definitely there, I agree. But if you can get a very good player with Premiership experience on the back of a 20 goal season, I don't think the notion should be ridiculed. I'm all for healthy debates, but straight off dismissing someone's ideas as retarded bullshit needs sorting out. A lot of that happens on here.
I've said it before - players of lower Premiership clubs and lesser leagues like Germany and France are not given their due on this forum.
Oh and both Dempsey and Dembele are capable of playing in midfield as well as attack so the position debate doesn't come into it.
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Post by jimbonda on Aug 26, 2012 9:26:42 GMT
Also, where are the people who said he was average? hi sleel. in fairness i said the few times i'd watched out for him, cos my mate tipped me off when they signed him that he was good, he looked very ordinary and not worth the hype. that's all i hate to form an opinion. watching him yesterday he looks like a powerhouse and my opinion has changed. will be interesting to see how consistent he is as i'll be watching a bit closer now. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 26, 2012 9:50:04 GMT
I wasn't sold on him but have to admit he certainly impressed me yesterday. The commentator likened him to Gazza, and I see what he means, he has that same surging run and upper body strength to hold players off as he goes past them. Watching him I was thinking he plays like the player we wanted Anderson to become, driving forward with the ball using pace, skill and power. Anderson is young enough to still do this, a nd I'm not gonna demand we go get this guy after one solid performance, but if he keeps that up over the season, I'd certainly like us to go for him next summer. Thats how he plays regularly.I`ve said it for a while now, he would be a good signing. |
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Post by Bestie on Aug 26, 2012 10:48:43 GMT
I don't think it was a one off performance. It was standard for Dembele. Would love to see him alongside TC or Carrick in our midfield. Also, where are the people who said he was average? In fairness, I don't there were that many people calling him outright average. More that he was a decent player who they didn't think could make the step up to be consistently good for United. Also, where are the people who said he was average? I remember being absolutely pilloried for mentioning someone like Dempsey long ago (who lets face it, had a far more successful season than Dembele in the same Fulham team).  That's hilarious, really, really funny. I love it when people make straw man remarks like that, especially for comic effect. Perhaps your views and other people's views on "United quality" are different. Mine, for example, includes requiring a player to be able to perform in matches that aren't the one-off biggest game of the season for the club and play to a higher standard, challenging for trophies, every week. You actually make a comment later that on RoM people ignore players from Germany (because nobody was excited about Kagawa, or possibly getting Lewa, or wanted us to sign Götze, Lahm, Schweini, Draxler or anyone else playing in Die Bundesliga), France (yep, Hazard didn't get us in a tizzy when he was a potential signing at all), or lower Premier League clubs (interesting this one, because Nick Powell came fro League 2 but I seem to remember everyone being more than willing to give him a chance. And League 2 is even lower than lower Premier League?) . Like jim, I can personally say I'd seen Dembele a good few times, maybe 6 or 7 times before his name started being bandied around as a United target. I sort of like Fulham, went to one of their games a few years ago 'cause I was in London and I liked the stadium and stuff. So I'd look out for them, and when they were in the Europa League it was dead easy to! Dembele never really stood out in any of those games, and he only scored (I think?) twice last season. He looked a good, solid player, but nothing more than that. Maybe a higher level than we would associate with Fulham traditionally, but certainly not ready for a big step-up to United. That's why I didn't rate him as a signing for us in particular. He did well yesterday, from the extended highlights that I watched he had a great game. But as I've said before, with our mentality/tactics/players, whatever the cause, it's not difficult for decent/pretty good players to look very good against our midfield. We don't put pressure on oppo midfielders, really at all, so they have a good chance to look great. Shaun Maloney was brilliant against us at the back end of last season, basically cost us the League. He does quite well for Wigan every week, should we sign him too? How about Friedel? Why did we never go in for him? He is regarded as a top rate Premier League goalkeeper and he usually played a blinder against us. Just because he played like a beast yesterday doesn't invalidate the opinion that he wouldn't be good enough for United. All of that said, I was impressed with the strength and willingness to run with the ball from deep positions, and general 'powerhouse-ness' of Dembele against us. I haven't changed my views on him completely. I just get that if he's performed like that when you've seen him and I haven't, why you reckon he might be able to kick it up a gear and do it for us. |
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Post by Tatty on Aug 26, 2012 12:57:55 GMT
Still don't think he's no better than what we already have.
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Post by jimbonda on Aug 26, 2012 13:47:54 GMT
Still don't think he's no better than what we already have. so you think he's somewhat better than what we already have?  |
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Post by jimbonda on Aug 26, 2012 13:50:31 GMT
on the 'not united quality' row - if some posters had their way in the summer, it would be dempsey wearing number 26 not kagawa, or junior hoilett coming in instead of van persie.
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Post by Tatty on Aug 26, 2012 13:55:48 GMT
Still don't think he's no better than what we already have. so you think he's somewhat better than what we already have? I think he's about the same level as say, Anderson or Cleverley, but nowhere near as good as Kagawa or Carrick. |
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Post by jimbonda on Aug 26, 2012 14:05:13 GMT
so you think he's somewhat better than what we already have? I think he's about the same level as say, Anderson or Cleverley, but nowhere near as good as Kagawa or Carrick. don't worry was just playing on the wording of your first comment |
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Post by jimbonda on Aug 26, 2012 14:07:38 GMT
based on yesterdays game ALONE, i'd say dembele was streets ahead of anderson, the player most similar to him. that's the type of game i think Ferguson wants from ando.
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Post by ginger18legend on Aug 26, 2012 14:11:58 GMT
@bestie - Wow. Dissected. Dissected extremely well. I'll ask you one question. Tell me, did you think Valencia was United quality when he signed? Or even Ashley Young?
I just don't get why some people are mocked when they suggest a player might be able to do well for us. And not just players. David Moyes - 3 time League Manager of the Year. Suggested. Mocked. I get that some people's views might be different from others. But when others bring up names of established players/personnel who in their opinion can do well for the club, they are met with ridicule. I don't understand this attitude. That's all I was trying to say.
Someone compared David Moyes to Bebe. Really?!!
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Post by ginger18legend on Aug 26, 2012 14:17:49 GMT
on the 'not united quality' row - if some posters had their way in the summer, it would be dempsey wearing number 26 not kagawa, or junior hoilett coming in instead of van persie. Really? Who? |
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