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Post by Rio5 on Mar 9, 2013 6:53:07 GMT
This shit again /thread.
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Post by jimbonda on Mar 9, 2013 13:28:23 GMT
rooney requires some management. fergusons talked a numer of times about his fitness, and how he needs to play consistently to hit the vein of form. as key a player as roonbat has been this isn't necessarily easy for the wizard at a time when he has so many options in attacking positions and a penchant for rotating / altering to suit. preferring the highly fit and mobile, full of running welbeck against madrid is a classic example.
no doubt Fergie rates wayne highly, and in an ideal world just because he might not be a guaranteed starter doesn't mean that ferguson needs to actually shift him out of the club, and he'd be at least a valuable squad player. but he's got to weigh it against the fitness issues - in line with Fergies comments about him needing to play consistently, is he actually of any use when he's not starting? is he a player who can come in and out of the side and be effective?
opinion seems to be that roondog is a guy who phsyically matured early, doesn't have a natural athletes body and will decline relatively sooner. we're approaching the summer window where waz' price is at it's peak. there is an argument to move him on. there's also an argument that he'll play the majority of games and there's a partnership developing with van Persie, so he's an asset worth keeping. Then there's the Levandowski rumours that don't seem to go away, and there may be a feeling within the club that Kagawa is going to be our long term 'number 10' and that Rooneys days are numbered even if it's a case of keeping him until, for example, Kagawa is ready for that responsibility, and even if it means taking a hit on a transfer fee for rooney.
this is before we've even looked at wayne's motivations, and he's a hard guy to read IMO.
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Post by Kamilo on Mar 9, 2013 21:00:36 GMT
rooney requires some management. fergusons talked a numer of times about his fitness, and how he needs to play consistently to hit the vein of form. as key a player as roonbat has been this isn't necessarily easy for the wizard at a time when he has so many options in attacking positions and a penchant for rotating / altering to suit. preferring the highly fit and mobile, full of running welbeck against madrid is a classic example. no doubt Fergie rates wayne highly, and in an ideal world just because he might not be a guaranteed starter doesn't mean that ferguson needs to actually shift him out of the club, and he'd be at least a valuable squad player. but he's got to weigh it against the fitness issues - in line with Fergies comments about him needing to play consistently, is he actually of any use when he's not starting? is he a player who can come in and out of the side and be effective? opinion seems to be that roondog is a guy who phsyically matured early, doesn't have a natural athletes body and will decline relatively sooner. we're approaching the summer window where waz' price is at it's peak. there is an argument to move him on. there's also an argument that he'll play the majority of games and there's a partnership developing with van Persie, so he's an asset worth keeping. Then there's the Levandowski rumours that don't seem to go away, and there may be a feeling within the club that Kagawa is going to be our long term 'number 10' and that Rooneys days are numbered even if it's a case of keeping him until, for example, Kagawa is ready for that responsibility, and even if it means taking a hit on a transfer fee for rooney. this is before we've even looked at wayne's motivations, and he's a hard guy to read IMO. Makes some sense. I did feel that when kagawa was brought in fergie was looking for a more technical number 10 to rival the likes of barca. It's clear kagawa flourishes behind the striker. Just also thought of all the "I'd play in midfield talk" earlier in the year |
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Post by RedDevil'sAdvocate on Mar 10, 2013 10:14:07 GMT
From goal.com - don't shoot me  Manchester United manager Sir Alex Ferguson is adamant there are no issues between himself and Wayne Rooney as he signals his intentions to offer the England international a new contract. Much speculation arose concerning the 27-year-old after he was omitted from the starting XI against Real Madrid, with Ryan Giggs and Danny Welbeck among those preferred in the starting line-up. "There is absolutely no issue about a new contract for Wayne,” he told The Mirror. “When it is time to renegotiate with Wayne it will be done. We don’t want our best players to leave and Wayne is coming into his mature years." The 71-year-old Scot also vehemently denied claims there is a rift between the pair, while he also cited illness and injuries as the main reasons behind his striker's depleted goal tally this season. "He got me 32 goals last season and, although he’s had issues with illness and injuries this year, and hasn’t had a long run of games, he’s already got me 14 goals," he continued. “For people to suggest that I don’t talk to Wayne on the training ground is absolute b******s. It’s an insult to me and to Wayne.” -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- This summer his future will be known. He is either sold or he'll stay here until he retires. With just two years left on his contract he'll need to sign a new long term deal though, with probably more "realistic" salary. His current salary is a speculation, but is probably around 200k right? The club should offer 140/150k and if his heart is with us than he'll sign it. |
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Post by sleel6 on Mar 11, 2013 4:41:26 GMT
If we can get decent money for him I think I would let him go now. Piss poor again against Chelsea and didn't look interested.
Don't understand why we would bring Lewandowski in though? We already have 3 strikers and a 'number 10' as well as Wazza. There would be no need, would rather see the money go towards bringing in Ronaldo or Bale.
Would be interesting to see how much he is worth too.
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Post by sleel6 on Mar 11, 2013 4:43:52 GMT
rooney requires some management. fergusons talked a numer of times about his fitness, and how he needs to play consistently to hit the vein of form. as key a player as roonbat has been this isn't necessarily easy for the wizard at a time when he has so many options in attacking positions and a penchant for rotating / altering to suit. preferring the highly fit and mobile, full of running welbeck against madrid is a classic example. no doubt Fergie rates wayne highly, and in an ideal world just because he might not be a guaranteed starter doesn't mean that ferguson needs to actually shift him out of the club, and he'd be at least a valuable squad player. but he's got to weigh it against the fitness issues - in line with Fergies comments about him needing to play consistently, is he actually of any use when he's not starting? is he a player who can come in and out of the side and be effective? opinion seems to be that roondog is a guy who phsyically matured early, doesn't have a natural athletes body and will decline relatively sooner. we're approaching the summer window where waz' price is at it's peak. there is an argument to move him on. there's also an argument that he'll play the majority of games and there's a partnership developing with van Persie, so he's an asset worth keeping. Then there's the Levandowski rumours that don't seem to go away, and there may be a feeling within the club that Kagawa is going to be our long term 'number 10' and that Rooneys days are numbered even if it's a case of keeping him until, for example, Kagawa is ready for that responsibility, and even if it means taking a hit on a transfer fee for rooney. this is before we've even looked at wayne's motivations, and he's a hard guy to read IMO. Are you saying we should sell him? |
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Post by ratbag on Mar 11, 2013 8:33:40 GMT
Not to put words in jim's mouth but I think he is saying that it is an option that we should look at....
A couple of years ago Wazza was the main man and it would have been unthinkable to move him on....now, well maybe the time has come...Fergie is normally pretty good at knowing when a player isn't giving his all for United...I'd back Fergie's judgement if he decides to get rid as we now have better players as back up / replacement.
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Post by Dan United on Mar 11, 2013 8:43:28 GMT
I was thinking about this today because there's a lot of stuff about him not becoming the player we hoped he would, and even one article that suggested the peak of Rooney's career- individually - was at Euro 2004.
How many of you would swap current day Rooney with 18-20 year old Rooney? I think I would. I've said in the past, his all round game has developed, but in my opinion it's ironed out some of the things that made him special. He's more prolific these days, but 20-goal-a-season strikers are easier to come by than dynamic No10s who is as capable of pinging a shot in the top corner as he is bulldozing his way past players. I don't know if there's something we could have done differently in his development, or whether he was always destined to become a more well-rounded but less explosive footballer, but I was definitely more excited by the younger Roon.
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Post by Bestie on Mar 11, 2013 11:34:22 GMT
I absolutely would. Said it for years.
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Post by jimbonda on Mar 11, 2013 12:10:55 GMT
Not to put words in jim's mouth but I think he is saying that it is an option that we should look at.... i'm not really saying we should or shouldn't, i can see the argument for both. just that with waz being a guy who needs to play week in week out i could see Ferguson selling him before trying to use him as a squad player, and a lot depends on Kagawa and where he settles in the side once he's cracked it. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 11, 2013 21:36:37 GMT
I was thinking about this today because there's a lot of stuff about him not becoming the player we hoped he would, and even one article that suggested the peak of Rooney's career- individually - was at Euro 2004. How many of you would swap current day Rooney with 18-20 year old Rooney? I think I would. I've said in the past, his all round game has developed, but in my opinion it's ironed out some of the things that made him special. He's more prolific these days, but 20-goal-a-season strikers are easier to come by than dynamic No10s who is as capable of pinging a shot in the top corner as he is bulldozing his way past players. I don't know if there's something we could have done differently in his development, or whether he was always destined to become a more well-rounded but less explosive footballer, but I was definitely more excited by the younger Roon. Gave thought to this, I probably would. There was just something about that young Rooney, every time he got the ball you tensed up, you felt something would happen. The only other 2 United players that made me feel like that were Giggs in his peak years, and Ronaldo. Now when he gets it you (or at least I) just wait to see it go straight back to the opposition. When he received the ball 25 yards from goal you expected the net to burst, not now. Look at that goal against Newcastle, the explosive volley from 30 yards. If that dropped to Rooney now what would happen? I'd bet everything I have he would not take the shot on, he try to control it, see it bounce 5 yards away instead, try to wrestle it back from whichever player got the loose ball, and be out muscled, and the chance would be gone. |
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Post by Dan United on Mar 11, 2013 22:05:43 GMT
To be fair, there are a number of good players that peaked early - Owen, Torres, Fat Ronaldo.
Though luckily he is still a top player, unlike Torres and Owen.
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