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Post by JamBritRed on Jul 12, 2015 15:07:29 GMT
no manager can afford to be sentimental, and i damn happy that our current boss stuck to his convictions and was ruthless enough to move on a player with whom he recently had a good working relationship. (that's me looking at you David re. Rooooonay)
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Post by CaajScot on Jul 12, 2015 15:09:42 GMT
In one of the papers it said it was that bad VG made him train on his own to make him leave and thats why he felt betrayed. Ill see if I can find the quote |
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Post by Bestie on Jul 12, 2015 16:35:02 GMT
Anyone seen anything about van Persie saying he has 'been betrayed'? Apparently one of the papers was running with that one. Aye, something about being "stabbed in the back" by VG. Perhaps he should ask Moyes how he dealt with it.... Bullshit. Moyes got what he deserved and it wasn't a knife in the back, it was a double tap to the forehead. |
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Post by ScholesEvilTwin on Jul 12, 2015 16:38:17 GMT
Aye, something about being "stabbed in the back" by VG. Perhaps he should ask Moyes how he dealt with it.... Bullshit. Moyes got what he deserved and it wasn't a knife in the back, it was a double tap to the forehead. So you still think the players are completely blameless i see. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 12, 2015 16:45:12 GMT
for 'allegedly' helping move on Moyes? There can be no blame for that, only high praise
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Post by ScholesEvilTwin on Jul 12, 2015 16:53:46 GMT
for 'allegedly' helping move on Moyes? There can be no blame for that, only high praise I was thinking more along the lines of being wage thieves, seen as they could still have done their job. You know, the job they were paid millions for. So for RVP to come out and say VG stabbed him in the back is rather ironic. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 12, 2015 16:56:28 GMT
for 'allegedly' helping move on Moyes? There can be no blame for that, only high praise I was thinking more along the lines of being wage thieves, seen as they could still have done their job. You know, the job they were paid millions for. So for RVP to come out and say VG stabbed him in the back is rather ironic. Maybe they were doing there job, I said 'allegedly'. It's probably more likely they were actually doing as they were instructed, given that Moyes was a fucking liability from day one |
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Post by ScholesEvilTwin on Jul 12, 2015 17:11:09 GMT
I was thinking more along the lines of being wage thieves, seen as they could still have done their job. You know, the job they were paid millions for. So for RVP to come out and say VG stabbed him in the back is rather ironic. Maybe they were doing there job, I said 'allegedly'. It's probably more likely they were actually doing as they were instructed, given that Moyes was a fucking liability from day one Instructed by whom then? Directors/Owners? I'd be disgusted if that was the case. Especially given the debacle around his sacking too. Altho, given that we do have the gimps in charge i wouldn't be that surprised. So much for the club being above the citehs/chelseas/scousers/madrids/barcas of the football world. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 12, 2015 17:13:25 GMT
Maybe they were doing there job, I said 'allegedly'. It's probably more likely they were actually doing as they were instructed, given that Moyes was a fucking liability from day one Instructed by whom then? Directors/Owners? I'd be disgusted if that was the case. Especially given the debacle around his sacking too. Altho, given that we do have the gimps in charge i wouldn't be that surprised. So much for the club being above the citehs/chelseas/scousers/madrids/barcas of the football world. Instructed by the manager, I thought that was clear in my post. Shit manager=shit tactics=shit performances. Or would you rather they'd of done a (insert bad club here) and defy the manager and not follow his orders? |
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Post by ScholesEvilTwin on Jul 12, 2015 17:17:48 GMT
Instructed by whom then? Directors/Owners? I'd be disgusted if that was the case. Especially given the debacle around his sacking too. Altho, given that we do have the gimps in charge i wouldn't be that surprised. So much for the club being above the citehs/chelseas/scousers/madrids/barcas of the football world. Instructed by the manager, I thought that was clear in my post. Shit manager=shit tactics=shit performances. Or would you rather they'd of done a (insert bad club here) and defy the manager and not follow his orders? i thought you meant instructed to not try/play shit so that it would make the manager easier to sack. Which is what quite a few of them were doing. Players like Van Persie saw their arse when fergie left and blatently weren't playing for Moyes. And no, i expect them to do the job they are paid to do. Even the rent boys did their job when they didn't like their manager. Moyes would have been fired regardless and deserves the shit he gets. The fact the players got off blame free is ridiculous though. As they could still have done a lot better than the shite they served up. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 12, 2015 17:26:33 GMT
Instructed by the manager, I thought that was clear in my post. Shit manager=shit tactics=shit performances. Or would you rather they'd of done a (insert bad club here) and defy the manager and not follow his orders? i thought you meant instructed to not try/play shit so that it would make the manager easier to sack. Which is what quite a few of them were doing. Players like Van Persie saw their arse when fergie left and blatently weren't playing for Moyes. And no, i expect them to do the job they are paid to do. Even the rent boys did their job when they didn't like their manager. Moyes would have been fired regardless and deserves the shit he gets. The fact the players got off blame free is ridiculous though. As they could still have done a lot better than the shite they served up. I think we're meeting somewhere in the middle here. but the rents went over the managers head almost,ignored him and did their job, and look at the shit that caused PR wise. I agree some seemed to bottle the fight, but.....Regardless of what they're paid, motivation (not for money) is going to affect players, humans, anyone. If you hate your boss, don't agree with his new system, Hate his stupid fucking rabbit in the headlights face, his soundbites about aspiring to be City....do you have the motivation to play for him? |
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Post by ScholesEvilTwin on Jul 12, 2015 17:35:56 GMT
i thought you meant instructed to not try/play shit so that it would make the manager easier to sack. Which is what quite a few of them were doing. Players like Van Persie saw their arse when fergie left and blatently weren't playing for Moyes. And no, i expect them to do the job they are paid to do. Even the rent boys did their job when they didn't like their manager. Moyes would have been fired regardless and deserves the shit he gets. The fact the players got off blame free is ridiculous though. As they could still have done a lot better than the shite they served up. I think we're meeting somewhere in the middle here. but the rents went over the managers head almost,ignored him and did their job, and look at the shit that caused PR wise. I agree some seemed to bottle the fight, but.....Regardless of what they're paid, motivation (not for money) is going to affect players, humans, anyone. If you hate your boss, don't agree with his new system, Hate his stupid fucking rabbit in the headlights face, his soundbites about aspiring to be City....do you have the motivation to play for him? I would have thought you would usually have to at least do your job, otherwise you will, you know, get fired? And yeah, it wasn't great for them PR wise, but neither was the way Moyes got fired  The club got some flak over that anyway. It also shows how badly the whole thing was handled in that they never even intimated to the most senior players what was going to happen. as evidenced by the fact that Vidic went and agreed that deal with Inter and then immediately spoke to Woody to try and get out of it once Moyes had been fired. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 12, 2015 17:40:14 GMT
I think we're meeting somewhere in the middle here. but the rents went over the managers head almost,ignored him and did their job, and look at the shit that caused PR wise. I agree some seemed to bottle the fight, but.....Regardless of what they're paid, motivation (not for money) is going to affect players, humans, anyone. If you hate your boss, don't agree with his new system, Hate his stupid fucking rabbit in the headlights face, his soundbites about aspiring to be City....do you have the motivation to play for him? I would have thought you would usually have to at least do your job, otherwise you will, you know, get fired? And yeah, it wasn't great for them PR wise, but neither was the way Moyes got fired The club got some flak over that anyway. It also shows how badly the whole thing was handled in that they never even intimated to the most senior players what was going to happen. as evidenced by the fact that Vidic went and agreed that deal with Inter and then immediately spoke to Woody to try and get out of it once Moyes had been fired. They did actually do their job, so I'll point back to the motivation factor  |
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Post by ScholesEvilTwin on Jul 12, 2015 17:49:22 GMT
I would have thought you would usually have to at least do your job, otherwise you will, you know, get fired? And yeah, it wasn't great for them PR wise, but neither was the way Moyes got fired The club got some flak over that anyway. It also shows how badly the whole thing was handled in that they never even intimated to the most senior players what was going to happen. as evidenced by the fact that Vidic went and agreed that deal with Inter and then immediately spoke to Woody to try and get out of it once Moyes had been fired. They did actually do their job, so I'll point back to the motivation factor Fair enough. I still think there were times when they could have done more. Especially as this was a group of players that had worked under Fergie. They shouldn't need to be motivated by the boss all the time. Do they need to be told when to eat and shit too? Anyway, this wasn't supposed to end up being a Moyes discussion. I was just expressing surprise at RVP mentioning being back-stabbed when he did the exact same to his last boss. |
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Post by CaajScot on Jul 12, 2015 19:53:09 GMT
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13 mins · As I am posting this... it looks like my former team-mate Robin van Persie is joining Fenerbahçe. The moment Sir Alex Ferguson told us in the changing room at Carrington that he was retiring, I looked to my left around 6 lockers where I saw a totally devastating looking RVP... he was shaking his head in shock, completely disheartened it seemed. Robin took it the worst out of the whole squad. I, like many of the squad had been lucky enough to have played under Fergie for many years but Robin had just got to the club and part of his fairy-tale of joining was playing under Sir Alex. We would travel to games together and he would talk about him & how he compared or was different to Wenger & ask loads of questions about the great man. He had found a place & a manager that completely got RVP - Ferguson knew RVP 's goals would get us the title back & so throughout the first 6months of the season he was drilling it home to the other players to get the ball into him or else! Imagine the confidence that would have been running through his veins after hearing his boss talk like that to a team he respected - about HIM and HIS importance to winning! And yes we went on to win the league that year and a large part of that was RVP's goals that got us there! As a player he is so silky to watch, great touch, can hold the ball up & bring others into play, timings of his runs, skills & a dream of a left foot....oh and he can finish! He was actually a better player than I thought he was when he arrived at Manchester United - I had played against him many times vs Arsenal, so I knew he was good but not this good. Maybe that was because he was up against me and VIDA though!! On a serious note though, I think that was the general thought through the squad too. "We'll done boss on bringing him here". The goal against Aston Villa FC will forever be remembered by Manchester United fans - the ball from Wayne Rooney....then the volley....oooofff stop it!!! Don’t get me started on the last minute winner away at Manchester City!! Two players have left Manchester United this week for Fenerbahce – they both leave being a large part of the clubs recent success. Considering the prices being paid elsewhere, the club will deem both signings as a success. Good luck Van Pizzle!! www.facebook.com/RioFerdinandOfficial |
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