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Post by ratbag on Oct 7, 2020 20:58:11 GMT
I think the discussion was over his work rate and you have to agree he does run around a lot...I see him as a trier who is consistently just not good enough... So rewarding something that should be a basic requirement for any professional footballer ? You should know by now that I don’t think that...
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Post by ratbag on Oct 7, 2020 20:59:50 GMT
I think the discussion was over his work rate and you have to agree he does run around a lot.. .I see him as a trier who is consistently just not good enough...who Lingard or Solskjaer? Both...
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Post by dazjoe on Oct 7, 2020 21:56:38 GMT
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Post by Karma on Oct 7, 2020 22:34:17 GMT
They lost Messi and co (at their peak) we lost Fergie and the Glazers were exposed. Maybe there’s more room on the sofa now City have lost most of those peak transfers Pep inherited ( De Bruyne aside).
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Post by thesheepdog on Oct 8, 2020 6:28:44 GMT
Do you think this rumoured clause in respect of the debt is right that we have to make 65 mill profit every quarter or there are consequences 🤔
It would explain a lot of this buy now pay later bullshit
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Post by Karma on Oct 8, 2020 8:44:22 GMT
Do you think this rumoured clause in respect of the debt is right that we have to make 65 mill profit every quarter or there are consequences 🤔 It would explain a lot of this buy now pay later bullshit Absolutely
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Post by kstandhand on Oct 8, 2020 10:37:57 GMT
Do you think this rumoured clause in respect of the debt is right that we have to make 65 mill profit every quarter or there are consequences 🤔 It would explain a lot of this buy now pay later bullshit It's not a rumour it's fact,it's there & is about to cause them significant problems.
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Post by kstandhand on Oct 8, 2020 10:47:07 GMT
Unpopular Opinion: Why the ‘Manchester United Way’ is becoming the biggest myth in English football April 05, 2019
Was it ever really a thing? Not so, says Graham Ruthven, who argues that revisionists have meddled with reality
Nobody really spoke about the ‘United Way’ when Sir Alex Ferguson, Premier League winners’ medal hanging around his neck, bid farewell to the club he’d shaped for the best part of three decades in his own image.
The legendary Scot did reflect on the fabled ways of Manchester United in his speech to the Old Trafford faithful, but it had nothing to do with the style of the team on the pitch.
Ferguson instead spoke about the need to “stand by our new manager” – words that would do little to prevent David Moyes from lasting nine months as his predecessor, but reflected the way he was given time to prove himself upon initially arriving at Old Trafford. Manchester United are not a sacking club, or so it used to be argued.
Words about style of footballing identity were left out. Those have come in the years that have followed Ferguson’s retirement:, not from the man himself, but from others who seemingly wish to reinterpret the glory days. Never before has the so-called ‘United Way’ been spoken about as much as it has been over the past year or so, to the point where myth is warping reality.
It’s certainly true that at their best, at their most definable as a team, Manchester United under Ferguson were an entertaining outfit to watch. They provided some of the most dramatic moments in English and European football history, from their stoppage-time turnaround at the Camp Nou in 1999 to Michael Owen’s Manchester derby winner over a decade later.
But while United might have placed an emphasis on attacking football, it was a loose one.
Alex Ferguson and Ole Gunnar Solskjaer Ferguson was never a philosopher like Johan Cruyff or Pep Guardiola. In fact, there were times when he was a pragmatist, like when he acknowledged the need to hire Carlos Queiroz to help with defensive organisation in Europe.
Manchester United, particularly towards the back end of Ferguson’s tenure, were even boring at times. If they had an identity, if they had a philosophy, as has become a requirement for any zeitgeist-setting team of the modern age, it was winning. That’s what defined the United that became English football’s predominant force.
All of this has been embellished of late. Perhaps it’s a reflex reaction to the dross served up by Jose Mourinho, and Louis van Gaal and Moyes before him. So turgid have the performances been over the past few years that it’s only natural the Old Trafford support has cast its collective mind back to better times.
HOW HE DID IT There's a secret weapon that Ole Gunnar Solskjaer has used to transform Manchester United and land the job
If the ‘United Way’ is being used as a guiding light to illuminate the way forward, however, it’s important that some misconceptions are straightened out. Ole Gunnar Solskjaer, it has been widely circulated, plans on restoring the ways of old – but does the Norwegian truly have a grasp of what those ways are?
Many seem to think Solskjaer’s deployment of players like Jesse Lingard, Anthony Martial, Paul Pogba and Marcus Rashford as a counter-attacking unit constitutes the ‘United Way.’ That this was the way Ferguson favoured, sitting deep before hitting out with pace and conviction.
There were certainly a few of these moments – see Cristiano Ronaldo’s goal at the Emirates Stadium in 2009, or Wayne Rooney’s strike on the break at the same stadium a year later.
But United generally dominated games with the ball at their feet. They smothered opponents with possession, not quite in the way that Guardiola’s great Barcelona team used to, but one where they took complete control of contests. Suggestions that Ferguson’s teams based their entire strategy around fast breaks are yet another sign of the fabled ‘United Way’ contortion.
Some may argue, with some justification, that it instead has its roots in the era of Sir Matt Busby, the man who – according to folklore – introduced passing football to the English game. But are Manchester United fans and pundits really drawing on what they believed to be true about the ‘United Way’ from the 1950s and ‘60s?
At best, those who speak of the fabled ‘United Way’ are nostalgia merchants who see the club’s former successes through rose-tinted spectacles. At worst, they are revisionists shaping the past to suit their argument in the present.
Either way, Solskjaer and Manchester United as a whole must not allow their plotting for the future to be dictated by a set of principles and values that have been exaggerated and warped over time.
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Post by GeniusCantona on Oct 8, 2020 12:10:41 GMT
Domestic window still open so one can hope that some clubs come calling on loan deals for Rojo or Jones. Left out of the champions league squad, you would think they’d have enough pride and self-respect to start looking elsewhere. Romero being linked to a move to MLS.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 8, 2020 12:24:55 GMT
Only player I feel for right now is Romero. Ridiculously disrespected by the club. Dropped in the cup finals and pretty much left to hang out to dry. Only option is the MLS now and hes too good for that. Deserves so much better.
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Post by JamBritRed on Oct 8, 2020 13:47:40 GMT
Only player I feel for right now is Romero. Ridiculously disrespected by the club. Dropped in the cup finals and pretty much left to hang out to dry. Only option is the MLS now and hes too good for that. Deserves so much better. This! I posted my disapproval of his treatment last season, and to this day it still cuts me up. if ANYBODY proved their readiness when needed and played along when not needed, it was Romero. He deserved to be treated better, he should have been granted the opportunity to show his talents elsewhere, preferably in Europe. Its not like they didnt know that they planned to take Henderson back this year, so Romero theoretically should have been given permission to talk to clubs from as early as May. I wont lie this is one of my biggest problems with Ole. He wasn't fair to the ones who did him well, he only has eyes for his chosen few.
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Post by mightyez on Oct 8, 2020 13:55:54 GMT
Romero had a price and it wasn’t meant, surely we shouldn’t be expected to give him away for far less than his value? Arsenal sold Martinez for reportedly 20 million we wanted 8-10 for Romero supposedly and I think that figure is decent for his quality. If someone offered that and we said no then that’s where I’d say we are out of order.
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Post by alt on Oct 8, 2020 15:16:20 GMT
I almost felt sorry for him, but then remembered he's being paid £70k a week for the last 5 years for playing a grand total of 61 games. It could have been handled better, but then again even if he doesn't move, he's still being paid a ridiculous amount to do fuck all.
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Post by GeniusCantona on Oct 8, 2020 16:49:26 GMT
It never ends well with Argies does it? From Veron to Heinze to Tevez and so on, let’s just stay away!
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Post by Reduntildeath on Oct 8, 2020 18:17:04 GMT
Do you think this rumoured clause in respect of the debt is right that we have to make 65 mill profit every quarter or there are consequences 🤔 It would explain a lot of this buy now pay later bullshit Absolutely Google EBITA Man United and shudder!
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