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Post by Stew on Oct 3, 2022 15:52:51 GMT
Once the nonsense with Casemiro stops, he’ll have literally bought half a new starting 11. In one window. If that doesn’t make it clearly obvious to you that he felt the squad wasn’t good enough then nothing will and you’ve just dug yourself in. Also- That's all grand. Why is he coming out and saying how happy he is with the squad? Why did he just a few days ago spout absolute lies about Maguire? After Maguire’s horrible start to the season, is he picking him when fit? No. That’s literally the only thing that matters. I pay about as much attention to what football managers say as I do politicians. |
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Post by mightyez on Oct 3, 2022 16:25:01 GMT
That's all grand. Why is he coming out and saying how happy he is with the squad? Why did he just a few days ago spout absolute lies about Maguire? After Maguire’s horrible start to the season, is he picking him when fit? No. That’s literally the only thing that matters. I pay about as much attention to what football managers say as I do politicians. That's actually a fair point. It's their actions that really count as long as they don't say something stupid like 'Maguire is one of the best defenders in the world and will be at this club for years to come' |
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Post by viking22 on Oct 3, 2022 16:42:17 GMT
No new contracts until the end of the season would be a step in the right direction. But it needs to be accompanied by a policy of selling players on long contracts who are deemed not good enough as most of our contracts are expiring 2025, 2026, 2027 etc so running their contracts down is too passive an approach. Even if it means fire sale prices. Fred and Dalot and Ronaldo have theirs expiring in 2023. Dave, Rashford and Shaw in 2024.
I would also like us to stop giving bumper contracts to new signings who aren't established world class players.
Sancho is on £350k a week. How does that make any kind of sense? He was only on £100k a week at Dortmund and we were the only club seriously interested in him.
It is about having the right incentives and a culture where if you aren't good enough you get moved on.
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Post by mightyez on Oct 3, 2022 16:55:17 GMT
No new contracts until the end of the season would be a step in the right direction. But it needs to be accompanied by a policy of selling players on long contracts who are deemed not good enough as most of our contracts are expiring 2025, 2026, 2027 etc so running their contracts down is too passive an approach. Even if it means fire sale prices. Fred and Dalot and Ronaldo have theirs expiring in 2023. Dave, Rashford and Shaw in 2024. I would also like us to stop giving bumper contracts to new signings who aren't established world class players. Sancho is on £350k a week. How does that make any kind of sense? He was only on £100k a week at Dortmund and we were the only club seriously interested in him. It is about having the right incentives and a culture where if you aren't good enough you get moved on. we are massively pathetic at hand out cash. penny wise, pound foolish |
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Post by DedRevil on Oct 3, 2022 17:19:31 GMT
After Maguire’s horrible start to the season, is he picking him when fit? No. That’s literally the only thing that matters. I pay about as much attention to what football managers say as I do politicians. That's actually a fair point. It's their actions that really count as long as they don't say something stupid like 'Maguire is one of the best defenders in the world and will be at this club for years to come' If he says that, we might get more than a packet of skips and a can of Pepsi Max for him. As said by others, judge him on his actions, not his words, he's playing the game. Confident Scott will be booted out of the team soon and Casimero will be in there |
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Post by Paul on Oct 3, 2022 18:02:25 GMT
It's been a stuttered start to the season. Some bad, some good. Win our game in hand and we're 2 points off 3rd. I get the frustration but there's been a massive over reaction (not just on here) in regards to Ten Hag and his capability to do the job.
The important thing now is to see how he will be respond to that result.
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Post by Bestie on Oct 3, 2022 19:44:44 GMT
After Maguire’s horrible start to the season, is he picking him when fit? No. That’s literally the only thing that matters. I pay about as much attention to what football managers say as I do politicians. That's actually a fair point. It's their actions that really count as long as they don't say something stupid like 'Maguire is one of the best defenders in the world and will be at this club for years to come' Look at his utterly disgusting quotes from the press conference the other day. I genuinely don't have the strength to C&P but Forbes or anywhere else should have them. www.forbes.com/sites/sampilger/2022/10/01/erik-ten-hag-offers-hope-to-harry-maguire-at-manchester-united/amp/Appalling. Not your made up quote, but not far off it. As I have said before, if ten Hag was serious Maguire wouldn't be in another match day squad. Maguire wouldn't still be captain. I know, I know, 'Bestie is on one about Maguire again' but honestly I don't care. Maguire's involvment is one of the things I'm judging this manager on. |
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Post by johnboy14 on Oct 3, 2022 21:12:32 GMT
That's actually a fair point. It's their actions that really count as long as they don't say something stupid like 'Maguire is one of the best defenders in the world and will be at this club for years to come' Look at his utterly disgusting quotes from the press conference the other day. I genuinely don't have the strength to C&P but Forbes or anywhere else should have them. www.forbes.com/sites/sampilger/2022/10/01/erik-ten-hag-offers-hope-to-harry-maguire-at-manchester-united/amp/Appalling. Not your made up quote, but not far off it. As I have said before, if ten Hag was serious Maguire wouldn't be in another match day squad. Maguire wouldn't still be captain. I know, I know, 'Bestie is on one about Maguire again' but honestly I don't care. Maguire's involvment is one of the things I'm judging this manager on. He's not going to call him a bag of dicks for the Daily Mail and rightly so. Maguire has played 10 minutes in the PL since the Brentford game. Maguire has definitely paid for his poor form, what more do you want? Managers just talk shite in press conferences, it's what they do with the squad that really matters. I can understand people talking about standards but comparing him with Madrid managers who have world class squads to this one is stretching it abit. The team needs rebuilt and that takes time. We all anticipated this kind of inconsistency when the season started, so why does he deserve the boot? City would smash most teams and by some distance the best team in England. He did steady the ship after that appalling start and I think given time and resources he could potentially do something at this club. |
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Post by viking22 on Oct 3, 2022 21:14:53 GMT
Scholes and Wenger both criticizing Sancho and Antony for not doing enough defensively to help out on the flanks where City got a lot of joy. Antony goal aside they did very little offensively as well. But I always remember Jose used to be very big on his wingers doing some defensive work and tracking back.
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Post by redcase on Oct 4, 2022 2:49:50 GMT
It is fucking insane we’re talking about the manager right now 🤣
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Post by mightyez on Oct 4, 2022 5:27:37 GMT
ETH isn’t going anywhere.
He needs to wise up but on the hand you would he is being fair and rewarding performances rather than playing the name.
Plenty of work to do and a trophy and top 4 has to be the aim for this season.
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Post by redcase on Oct 4, 2022 6:17:42 GMT
ETH isn’t going anywhere. He needs to wise up but on the hand you would he is being fair and rewarding performances rather than playing the name. Plenty of work to do and a trophy and top 4 has to be the aim for this season. The Europa League is the only thing I give a shit about. I want him to win that trophy. We can and we should. Top 4 I don't care at all. If we win the Europa, Top 4 is redundant. In fact, even if we finish 6th or 7th, but we manage to snag the Europa League, and one of the FA Cup or League Cup, this season would be a good one and we would finally be heading somewhere. |
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Post by fergiegiveusawave on Oct 4, 2022 7:06:16 GMT
ETH isn’t going anywhere. He needs to wise up but on the hand you would he is being fair and rewarding performances rather than playing the name. Plenty of work to do and a trophy and top 4 has to be the aim for this season. The Europa League is the only thing I give a shit about. I want him to win that trophy. We can and we should. Top 4 I don't care at all. If we win the Europa, Top 4 is redundant. In fact, even if we finish 6th or 7th, but we manage to snag the Europa League, and one of the FA Cup or League Cup, this season would be a good one and we would finally be heading somewhere. I don't really believe that anymore and it has little to do with getting back into the Champions League for me. I'll never celebrate finishing 2nd, 3rd, 4th like we've won a trophy but the league rewards consistency and has always been a truer indicator of how a club is really doing rather than winning cups. I think we're the only fanbase who tries to convince ourselves this is the case, as we're too proud to see merely finishing anywhere behind 1st as important. Finishing 6th or 7th in this league, with how average/shit everyone looks bar City and Arsenal would just indicate to me that we've made little progress, regardless of if we've managed to snag ourselves a cup or two, for all I'd celebrate and enjoy those wins. We have to show consistency in the league and whilst we might not be able to get beat City, we have to get as close as possible and at least be up there with Arsenal or whoever else might pick up form and be the best of the rest. Do that, along with winning a trophy and then I'll believe we might be able to do something serious next season. |
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Post by Paul on Oct 4, 2022 7:23:06 GMT
It is fucking insane we’re talking about the manager right now 🤣 Correct. |
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Post by redcase on Oct 4, 2022 7:28:56 GMT
The Europa League is the only thing I give a shit about. I want him to win that trophy. We can and we should. Top 4 I don't care at all. If we win the Europa, Top 4 is redundant. In fact, even if we finish 6th or 7th, but we manage to snag the Europa League, and one of the FA Cup or League Cup, this season would be a good one and we would finally be heading somewhere. I don't really believe that anymore and it has little to do with getting back into the Champions League for me. I'll never celebrate finishing 2nd, 3rd, 4th like we've won a trophy but the league rewards consistency and has always been a truer indicator of how a club is really doing rather than winning cups. I think we're the only fanbase who tries to convince ourselves this is the case, as we're too proud to see merely finishing anywhere behind 1st as important. Finishing 6th or 7th in this league, with how average/shit everyone looks bar City and Arsenal would just indicate to me that we've made little progress, regardless of if we've managed to snag ourselves a cup or two, for all I'd celebrate and enjoy those wins. We have to show consistency in the league and whilst we might not be able to get beat City, we have to get as close as possible and at least be up there with Arsenal or whoever else might pick up form and be the best of the rest. Do that, along with winning a trophy and then I'll believe we might be able to do something serious next season. If Arsenal finish second and won nothing, and we finished 5th and won 1 or 2 trophies, I would always say we had a more successful season. Holding any kind of silverware at the end of a long campaign makes the entire thing so much more rewarding for the club, fans, players, coaching staff etc. It's validation. However small it may be. |
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