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Post by johnboy14 on Aug 20, 2023 22:10:38 GMT
People are too quick to make excuses for Ten Hag. All his predecessors faced similar issues and still had to finish top four to keep their jobs. And he’s been given close to £400m to spend and handpicked his new recruits. Agree though that things will get better once Hojlund is available for selection and a slow start is to be expected when we played the reserves in most of the preseason games and the midfield issue is so obvious that I expect it will somehow get partially fixed before the end of the month But going forward it’s clear we need a proper director of football to work with Erik to complete the rebuild as we cannot afford to keep making mistakes in the transfer maket We all know we need something on the recruitment side but where is the common sense? Who thought Mount was the correct signing or who decided to get rid of De Gea, thus creating a new problem that took 50m to fix. Our problems were in midfield and striking positions yet we made it harder to deal with those problems by having to hand over 50m for a goalie. We should have taken what we had and signed a recognised centre forward like Kane and sold players to help sign quality in midfield. We basically stood still this window. It's been a disaster as per usual. The pressure on Hojlund is ridiculous and likely to crush him. There's no evidence to suggest once fit, that he's going to take us to another level. It's extremely unlikely unless he's Messi in disguise or something. |
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Post by dazjoe on Aug 20, 2023 23:18:18 GMT
People are too quick to make excuses for Ten Hag. All his predecessors faced similar issues and still had to finish top four to keep their jobs. And he’s been given close to £400m to spend and handpicked his new recruits. Agree though that things will get better once Hojlund is available for selection and a slow start is to be expected when we played the reserves in most of the preseason games and the midfield issue is so obvious that I expect it will somehow get partially fixed before the end of the month But going forward it’s clear we need a proper director of football to work with Erik to complete the rebuild as we cannot afford to keep making mistakes in the transfer maket 100% this. Vast majority of fans saw what ETH achieved last season, dealing with the fallout of Ole and Ralf's disastrous reign, Ronaldo's pathetic strop, team morale at an all time low, having to wait until the season had started before finally getting the extra players in he needed and then having nothing more than 2 loan deals to support the squad in Jan when an actual good striker was needed, and still ending up 3rd top with a trophy to show for it all, as pretty bloody good for a first season. Mount has cost him a lot of that. I'd guess around 90%, if not more, of fans did not want Mount and did not see the point in the signing. He's just not that good, he plays in a position already covered and still leaves a glaring weakness in the midfield. Antony looks a busted flush, and if Mount is the same then going to be a lot of questions around his recruitment. I get he's working under terrible owners but he would know that, so get the much needed signings in first then the luxury ones, like Mount, in last if funds still available. |
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Post by unitedsotex on Aug 21, 2023 2:16:37 GMT
someone already said it, but it's way too early to be coming for ETH head, not after what he was left with, what he did with it, and now what is needed.
That said, I'm becoming less and less convinced that Antony can cut it...
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Post by Reduntildeath on Aug 21, 2023 2:56:38 GMT
Roy Keane taking the piss out of Martial has lifted my spirit slightly I can imagine what he’d say in the dressing room to that fraud. Not sure that Roy would’ve said much, he’d have merely had him up against the dressing room wall! |
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Post by dazjoe on Aug 21, 2023 3:20:43 GMT
someone already said it, but it's way too early to be coming for ETH head, not after what he was left with, what he did with it, and now what is needed. That said, I'm becoming less and less convinced that Antony can cut it... Don't think anyone is coming for his head yet, be a while before that happens. But people are, understandably, not happy with the summer and how the season has started. Wolves are shit and could well go down this season, and should have scored 3 last week. Why can't we press for 90 minutes like so many other teams seem to be able to? It's 30 minutes or so of pressing then they all just give up. It's been over a year now, other managers get it together within months, we still look more or less the same as we were under Ole. Considering the issues with money, why did we target an average midfielder who was available for nothing in 12 months time and plays in an area of the pitch covered and well stocked? As well as an injured 20 year old forward. Hell, there's an argument that due to budget limitations could we not have just kept going with De Gea for another season and used the Onana money on a midfielder or another forward? Is Onana really going to make such a difference that suddenly our forwards start taking chances? He'll be the greatest 'keeper ever then because I've never seen a goalie have that impact before. Doesn't matter how good he is at pinging balls around the attacking players are still going to trip over their own feet when presented with a chance. Why hasn't be banished Maguire to the reserves and made it known he has no future at the club? Due to Erik talking him up in the press that daft cunt thinks he's still got a chance here and we're stuck with him another season. I'm a big fan of ETH, but he's not without fault and he doesn't avoid any blame or even discussion just because last season went well. |
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Post by Stew on Aug 21, 2023 6:27:38 GMT
someone already said it, but it's way too early to be coming for ETH head, not after what he was left with, what he did with it, and now what is needed. That said, I'm becoming less and less convinced that Antony can cut it... No one is calling for his head. But he’s given himself a serious conundrum in midfield that I’m not sure he can fix given the personnel he has currently. The Mainoo injury was unfortunate but he has to do something or what we’ve seen in both games so far will happen in every game this year. |
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Post by Kojak on Aug 21, 2023 6:42:45 GMT
someone already said it, but it's way too early to be coming for ETH head, not after what he was left with, what he did with it, and now what is needed. That said, I'm becoming less and less convinced that Antony can cut it... No one is calling for his head. But he’s given himself a serious conundrum in midfield that I’m not sure he can fix given the personnel he has currently. The Mainoo injury was unfortunate but he has to do something or what we’ve seen in both games so far will happen in every game this year. That injury was unfortunate but he can’t seriously have expected the young lad to be the answer this season. I keep coming back to Mount. I just feel like he cannot have made that signing without also thinking he’d definitely get other bodies in. He must’ve thought it would be easier to sell, which is naive on his part. |
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Post by Jayrannasaurus on Aug 21, 2023 6:56:27 GMT
Hmm.
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Post by Jayrannasaurus on Aug 21, 2023 6:59:03 GMT
No one is calling for his head. But he’s given himself a serious conundrum in midfield that I’m not sure he can fix given the personnel he has currently. The Mainoo injury was unfortunate but he has to do something or what we’ve seen in both games so far will happen in every game this year. He must’ve thought it would be easier to sell, which is naive on his part. Suppose it might seem naive to us, but ETH comes from a club which specializes in developing and selling players for sizeable profit. Hard to pin our horrific capabilities in the market on Ten Hag, in my view. He seems to have been capable enough to go out and identify + request the players he wants - it's the outgoing part, and the club's ineptitude when it comes to selling deadwood he doesn't want to work with that has landed us in this net spend mailaise at the end of the window. |
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Post by Stew on Aug 21, 2023 6:59:59 GMT
No one is calling for his head. But he’s given himself a serious conundrum in midfield that I’m not sure he can fix given the personnel he has currently. The Mainoo injury was unfortunate but he has to do something or what we’ve seen in both games so far will happen in every game this year. That injury was unfortunate but he can’t seriously have expected the young lad to be the answer this season. I keep coming back to Mount. I just feel like he cannot have made that signing without also thinking he’d definitely get other bodies in. He must’ve thought it would be easier to sell, which is naive on his part. You’d hope so. For me, Mount should have been the final transfer, if you had money left over after fixing keeper, CM and striker. |
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Post by redcase on Aug 21, 2023 7:02:28 GMT
No one is calling for his head. But he’s given himself a serious conundrum in midfield that I’m not sure he can fix given the personnel he has currently. The Mainoo injury was unfortunate but he has to do something or what we’ve seen in both games so far will happen in every game this year. That injury was unfortunate but he can’t seriously have expected the young lad to be the answer this season. I keep coming back to Mount. I just feel like he cannot have made that signing without also thinking he’d definitely get other bodies in. He must’ve thought it would be easier to sell, which is naive on his part. The signing of a player at full market price who a) we didn’t really need, b)was available for free in a year, c) is stunningly mediocre, d) wasn’t even wanted by his old club, without prioritizing for positions like striker and a partner for Casemiro, will go down in ignominy. People getting paid thousands of pounds to put a team together shouldn’t get outdone by armchair managers on Internet forums. |
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Post by Kojak on Aug 21, 2023 7:07:15 GMT
That injury was unfortunate but he can’t seriously have expected the young lad to be the answer this season. I keep coming back to Mount. I just feel like he cannot have made that signing without also thinking he’d definitely get other bodies in. He must’ve thought it would be easier to sell, which is naive on his part. You’d hope so. For me, Mount should have been the final transfer, if you had money left over after fixing keeper, CM and striker. Yeah I don’t think we should’ve signed him at all as he’s not good enough, but if you are going to sign him, do it as a luxury purchase once your real business is done. |
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Post by Jayrannasaurus on Aug 21, 2023 7:11:34 GMT
Feel like Mount will go on to prove many people wrong, me included.
You don't win POTY at a club twice in succession, with one of these seasons resulting in a European Cup win, if you're not a quality player. Didn't he assist the winning goal in the final, too?
Might take a while for the team to find its balance, and I think he's more of a Bruno/Eriksen if we're playing a midfield three, but a quality manager will find the right way to use these players.
But agreed, he probably shouldn't have been one of the first signings!
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Post by Paul on Aug 21, 2023 7:33:21 GMT
Feel like Mount will go on to prove many people wrong, me included. You don't win POTY at a club twice in succession, with one of these seasons resulting in a European Cup win, if you're not a quality player. Didn't he assist the winning goal in the final, too? Might take a while for the team to find its balance, and I think he's more of a Bruno/Eriksen if we're playing a midfield three, but a quality manager will find the right way to use these players. But agreed, he probably shouldn't have been one of the first signings! The problem is putting him and Bruno in the same midfield is too unbalanced and you're not dropping Bruno for Mount. So I don't really know where you'd play him. Unless you pushed him further up. I didn't rate him before he came here so he's gonna have to do a lot of work to change that. Would of course love for it to happen. |
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Post by Paul on Aug 21, 2023 7:37:55 GMT
someone already said it, but it's way too early to be coming for ETH head, not after what he was left with, what he did with it, and now what is needed. That said, I'm becoming less and less convinced that Antony can cut it... No one is calling for his head. But he’s given himself a serious conundrum in midfield that I’m not sure he can fix given the personnel he has currently. The Mainoo injury was unfortunate but he has to do something or what we’ve seen in both games so far will happen in every game this year. We need Amrabat in at the very least. Looking forward to seeing Mainoo getting game time this season aswell, given the state on that midfield it could be a big season for the lad. If we don't then God help us when we actually come up against a decent side because the first two games should have been comfortable wins. Wasn't convinced by either, our shite made them both look a lot better than they were. |
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